Any alternative to NIGLUBE RX-2 (Part No.003606000)?

[porcupine73]

This NIGLUBE RX-2 (Part No.003606000) is the grease specified for lubricating some parts of the brake system including the disc caliper mount guide pins. Anyone know of an alternative to this lube? A google search only returns a couple of hits.

 

I think this is the red grease that comes with the OE Subaru caliper rebuild kits.

 

There are alternatives to the Molykote AS880N (Part No. 26298AC000) for other parts of the brake system such as where the pads meet the pad clip. One I saw was a Neo grease, maybe my local race shop would have that.

[nipper]

http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-Ultra-Brake-Caliper-bottle/dp/B0002KL4I0

 

Permatex.

 

nipper

[sea#3]

I use this

http://www.agscompany.com/products/index.php?catId=53&viewProducts=true

 

SEA#3

[porcupine73]

Thanks for the info guys. Nipper that Permatex looks like a good product. I'll have to see if napa has that. Or I'll see if I can find this similar Permatex 'hi temp' product.

 

sea#3, that looks good too. Did you buy that retail somewhere or is it an internet order item?

 

I think the Niglube is maybe sold only in Japan. I found some sites with info but they had Japanese text on them.

[porcupine73]

I took a look at my caliper rebuild kit for my '96. I think the two pink/red packages are the Niglube RX-2. The pads come with the gold colored stuff, which I assume is the Dow Molykote AS880N.

[porcupine73]

What do you guys think of this CRC/Sta-Lube brake caliper synthetic grease? I found a tub in the garage I forgot I had bought from napa. It doesn't specifically say it is good for caliper slides/pins like the Permatex and AGS products do.

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[sea#3]

sea#3, that looks good too. Did you buy that retail somewhere or is it an internet order item?

 

I buy it from an independant supplier but is also avalible at our local NAPA

 

SEA#3

[ron917]

I have a tube of SIL-GLYDE Brake Lubricant that I've used for many years. It's a high temperature silicone grease.

[rlsimpso]

I can second Sil-glyde.

 

Be sure to get all the old grease of the slides and clean out the inside of the boots. Those brakes get hot:Flame:

[jono]

this question does not get asked often enough

 

it appears from many , many forum reads that red rubber grease is the go and never a copper anti sieze grease

 

I do note that Castrol say red rubber grease is specifically for rubber to rubber contact in brake and clutch applications - or to that effect.

 

Most times when I have needed to add some extra to sliders have used a molydenum grease as an add to the existing grease, which, if following a mechanic of nearly fifty years of bodge - must be wrong, coz in his mind, oils are oils.

 

I am about to fit up a clan reco caliper and has no grease to ad to . A fella in a car parts joint says he just uses the red rubber grease.

 

Thinking we have metal to metal lube needed, that does not react with now unobtainium rubber parts.of calipers.

 

Mintex ceratec is often mentioned in forums, but Mintex themselves only state it for metal metal contact points without stepping out on that can mix with rubber limb ...

 

Reading forums from US and UK are almost no good to some in AUS

 

In the past have seen assembly silicone dribbly stuff - no idea where it came from but was prized ...and I see a clear silicone gel like grease stuff at the end of one slider pin

 

And do you think anyone that sells brake pads n stuff, without being brake specialists - sell any other brake pin slider lube ?

 

Permatex is another name to research ....got them here, maybe not specific stuff

 

any comments on follow up of red rubber grease from years back welcome

[1 Lucky Texan]

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0091KCG0W/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=IDEFQ97CY9SH&coliid=I11ZL9W8SL2MQD&psc=1

 

afer reading that the permatex can cause our soob brakes rubber parts to swell/degrade (not tested or experienced by me personally) I think I'm gonna switch to the above Silarmic.

 

 

most recently read here;http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/81-wheels-tires-brakes-suspension/291250-brake-grease-lesson.html

Edited September 26, 2015 by 1 Lucky Texan

[Fairtax4me]

Wait, the permatex green isn't good for rubber?! That's all I've used for years! I haven't had any problems with it... At least that I know of.

[1 Lucky Texan]

fair - I wish I understood where the problem is. Even in the reviews at Amazon, you find an entry or 2 blaming the permatex for affecting rubber.

maybe there was a few years where the compound Subaru used was the issue? I dunno.

the bottle I have now is this I think;

 

And, in the few times I've used it so far, doesn't seem to have caused any problems. with an 06 Impala, an 03 Outback or an 06 WRX. I use it everywhere I think there could be sliding or contact.

[jono]

been looking further at the permatex line up and the one they call green, in a green labeled bottle, specifically says it is for brake slide pins ...surely it does not go on to say not to contact rubber or do they mean the other sort of rubber ?

 

link to the green Permatex

 

http://www.permatex.com.au/_products/Automotive/specialized+maintenance+++repair/brake+maintenance+++repair/Permatex+Ultra+Disc+Brake+Caliper+Lube-1373.aspx

 

I'm happy CRC is also a known brand name here in Oz.

 

Starting to think every mechanic and brake shop is bodgey - if this stuff is not on shelves at parts stores, or people being advised red rubber grease varieties - stuff not make sense if it is really not for metal to metal ???

 

Noting most articles in forums just say Permatex stuff, not actual name or part number ...hard to judge :(

 

 

other permatex stuff found on Oz site

 

http://www.permatex.com.au/_products/Automotive/lubricants/specialty+lubricants/Permatex+Ceramic+Extreme+Brake+Parts+Lubricant-1427.aspx

 

 

hmmm....now also recalling a special run to a non other than a brake specialist shop, looking for assembly lube - got shrugged shoulders from the boss - think reply was "just use brake fluid" , but also showed no interest in finding me rebuild kit, was more interested in me handing over 3 big ones for them to rebuild my pair.

 

link to CRC brake lube on amazon

 

http://www.amazon.com/CRC-Brake-Caliper-Synthetic-Grease/dp/B000M8IF1Q/ref=sr_1_16?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1443308486&sr=1-16&keywords=brake+caliper

 

below might link to amazon and a 3M product that says conditions rubber - in a positive way I trust !

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005RNEH5O

 

 

 

 

Be calling CRC and Permatex on Monday .....

Edited September 26, 2015 by jono

[porcupine73]

I don't remember where I saw it maybe on nasioc that some people were saying Neo HP 800 wheel bearing grease was supposedly really good. I tried various greases over the years always intending to keep track of what seemed to work but I didn't and have no idea. I have noticed that the various reman calipers I've gotten all seem to have what I think it just plain clear silicone grease in them.

[jono]

hey, this is your thread Nice to see you are still about !

I never thought to look inside my reco one that has the concertina boots on it you know !

 

Just been at a 3M site, entered the clear silicone paste and number off amazon in search window - got nil result ! Though google also calls it dielectric grease so may be around electrical supply places in better supply than automotive, where we tend to be too thrifty to buy good stuff sometimes

 

roll on Monday ....

 

Yuck !! Inside the Beck n Arnley box, the caliper from Rock, is black, crusty stuff !! Be cleaning these out myself I think. Maybe the grease went dry and hard over twenty years of sitting around ??

Edited September 26, 2015 by jono

[naru]

NIGLUBE RX-2 is a red/orange high temperature lithium soap based grease.

http://www.nippon-grease.co.jp/en/products/grease/g02.html

 

I would use any of the rubber compatible silicon brake greases after making sure the NIGLUBE is cleaned away.

[1 Lucky Texan]

My permatex, the one shown above, is a purple grease. label not only says safe for rubber, but instructions say to use on seals as well as sliding parts.

 

 

???

[jono]

and ... been in touch with the Permatex people here in Australia item 24110 not a line carried in Australia and the Ceramic extreme brake parts lubricant is only , or has been the only purchaser of the stuff is a little company called Bursons. The bigger chains like REPCO SCA ...nope

 

 

so...gave a Bursons a ring a ding ding and blow me over with a feather ...choice of 2 !

 

CRC sta-lube (sp?)  a 71g tube - below

 

http://www.crcindustries.com.au/products/specialty-chemicals/sta-lube-synthetic-brake-caliper-grease

 

and Bendix stuff at about 40 bucks a 235g tub

 

http://www.bendix.com.au/content/high-performance-brake-lubricant

 

what I expect smurf poo to look like I expect

 

and I notice our SCA stores claim to stock the 6g sachets on line anyway

 

I do like the lithium based grease idea above, coz I think I have used a lithium grease in mine before - always a bit shakey using possibly wrong stuff though

 

thanks for your efforts guys !

 

Naru - well done .. I looked at the link and you know, Tango would best describe the colour of the grease I rescued from the back of an EA82 brake caliper... a light orangey colour

Edited September 29, 2015 by jono

[idosubaru]

The permatex green standard stuff is low grade.  It doesn't last as long and can swell the newer generation 2000+ bushing pins.

I've gone back in for other jobs before and pulled recently greased pins to check them before and the permatex stuff has been degraded much quicker than factory stuff.

I don't use it any more.

 

Sil Glyde is excellent.  Notably lasts longer:

 

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/american-grease-stick-co.-sil-glyde-silicone-brake-lubricant-tube-4-oz-bk-4/12024852-p?cm_mmc=PLA-_-Google-_-GPLA-_-12024852&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=12024852&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw=&iv_=__iv_p_1_a_214327102_g_12425515822_w_kwd-73681271422_h_9009441_ii__d_c_v__n_g_x_pla_y_6201684_f_online_o_12024852_z_US_i_en_j_73681271422_s__vi__&gclid=CKXxoPi9nMgCFcERHwodwzMH9A#utm_source=pla&utm_medium=google&utm_campaign=gpla&utm_content=12024852

 

I'm sure there's others, I'm not a brand fanboy by any stretch - that stuff works great and is readily available, there's no need for me to look into anything else.  Just get a quality silicone based lubricant and I presume you should be good to go.  This isn't rocket science, you just need an appropriate grease that doesn't swell seals and lasts.

[1 Lucky Texan]

from the Permatex site - under the 24110 number's instructions, it says in bold "DO NOT APPLY TO BRAKING SURFACE OF CALIPER PADS OR RUBBER SURFACES."

 

http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/specialized-maintenance-repair/brake-maintenance-repair/permatex-ultra-disc-brake-caliper-lube-detail

 

 

So, the 'green' label stuff is known to be bad for rubber.

 

 

 

DO NOT APPLY TO
BRAKING SURFACE OF CALIPER PADS OR RUBBER SURFACES. - See more at:
http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/specialized-maintenance-repair/brake-maintenance-repair/permatex-ultra-disc-brake-caliper-lube-detail#sthash.nL4uuM2p.d

DIRECTIONS:
1. Clean all caliper parts to be lubricated with Permatex^®
Brake & Parts Cleaner. 2. Apply Caliper Lube to pins,
slides, bushings and pistons.
3. Lubricant may also be used as a noise suppressor
to eliminate caliper brake squeal. DO NOT APPLY TO
BRAKING SURFACE OF CALIPER PADS OR RUBBER SURFACES.

Edited September 29, 2015 by 1 Lucky Texan

[Fairtax4me]

That ain't what it says on the bottle!! Lyin basterds. I guess if the slide pins on my car lock up I'll know why!

 

I did see syl-glide on the shelf at the local AA the other day for $11 and change. Think I'll try to get a tube on amazon just to have around.

[idosubaru]

I'm sure you know this, but your 96 doesn't have the rubber bushings on the pins so those won't lock up.
And if you have them on another car - just throw them away, they're pointless, I consider that a routine part of 2000+ brake jobs. LOL

 

But even the 2000+ rubber bushing issue aside - the Sil Glyde has been much better for me. 

 

For a few years I was confused finding stuck pins (no rubber bushings) or pins lacking grease that I knew I had greased within a couple years or even a year.

At first I figured I made mistakes...but after awhile I was fairly sure it wasn't me.

It's not like it was every time, but a few instances. I got in the habit of checking the slide pins every time I had tires off.

Sil Glyde - I go back in and it's fresh like I just greased it and hopefully I can wean myself of checking the dumb things every time I swap snow tires. 

 

I'm not sure what the difference is or where the permatex stuff goes - and it's not like it always did it - but I'm glad to have more consistency.

[Fairtax4me]

Picture below of the label on the bottle I use at work almost every day.

 

I think I slapped some pads in my 96 about a year ago and I don't remember if it had the rubber bushings or not. But I've done tons of other cars that do have them and really haven't noticed any issues.

[1 Lucky Texan]

wow! they added the damn rubber restriction after that bottle was made I guess! (or changed the formula but kept the 24110 part number???)

 

crazy.