Uberoo Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Just wondering something here.inn 4x4 circles with real/big 4x4 trucks the dana 35 IFS is considered "weak" because it can only have a max tire size of 33-35".That is with ford ranger power.What if the D35 IFS TTB was put under the front and rear of a subaru?Run a transfer case.Best of all you can actually find gear ratios for the D35 IFS.The best ratio I could find was 5.13.Do you think a subie could turn 35's with a 5.13 gear ratio and low range from the transfer case,and the low range from the tranny?I bet it could...Thinking about a EA81 on 35" tires gives me wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 for me, if I'm gonna undertake that much fabrication, I'd go solid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberoo Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 Im looking at the IFS travel.18-24" of travel is possible with the TTB..lockers in both ends...That seems like the ultimate 4x4 subaru...go anywhere and actually have the wheels touching the ground...besides I know of several 4x4 rangers that the owners plan to swap out the TTB for a solid axle(one of them wants 44" on a ranger...)so the TTB could be had cheaply.It should be strong enough for our little subies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatswhatshesaid Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 The TTB would be plenty strong for EA or EJ power. You could conceivably run up to 35s or maybe bigger with that kind of low range. But what about the rear axle? The Fords with TTB fronts had solid rear axles. It would not work in the rear. The gears would spin the wrong way. I'm not trying to discourage you, but a well-built 'Yota axle setup would be MUCH stronger (equivalent to D60) and yield a ton of flex and articulation with less hassle of camber issues and more reliability. The aftermarket is also very supportive in the Toyota department. Since the common thing with TTB is to drop it like a bad habit, the aftermarket segment tends to shy away a bit more than with, say, Dana solid units or Toyota equipment. If your heart desireth it, though...I say go for it. It will certainly be a unique rig. And with 35-37" meats, you could produce killer ground clearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 for me, if I'm gonna undertake that much fabrication, I'd go solid... +1 yes, 18-24" is possible with the TTB. but it's easy with a solid axle. fabrication is simpler, axle is stronger, lower gears are possible, lockers are cheaper, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. it's a decent option, but IMHO, not the best option. especially with the amount of body lift to get the whole suspension setup to a point where you could fit 35's with enough room for that much travel.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstaru Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 yeah but,you have to make it RUN before you can RUN over things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberoo Posted November 1, 2007 Author Share Posted November 1, 2007 how would a danger ranger frame and transfer case work if it was stuffed under the body?engine and trans would be subaru-possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatswhatshesaid Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 how would a danger ranger frame and transfer case work if it was stuffed under the body?engine and trans would be subaru-possibly. That wouldn't be such a bad idea. Do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casm Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Just wondering something here.inn 4x4 circles with real/big 4x4 trucks the dana 35 IFS is considered "weak" because it can only have a max tire size of 33-35". And that's on a good day. My experience in the Jeep world has me convinced that 31" is as large as you should go with a D35, period - I've seen a couple of them shear axle shafts on the trail running 33" tyres. I'll admit that this is in 4.0-litre Cherokees and Wranglers which are putting out considerably more power than a lot of our Subarus are, though. What if the D35 IFS TTB was put under the front and rear of a subaru? You'd probably be OK. Probably. Maybe I'm just wary of that particular axle, but I wouldn't do it. The D30 would honestly probably be a better bet, and can be found all over the place. I'm running one that's electrically-locked with 4.11 gears in the front of my Cherokee and have no problems with it. Run a transfer case.Best of all you can actually find gear ratios for the D35 IFS.The best ratio I could find was 5.13.Do you think a subie could turn 35's with a 5.13 gear ratio and low range from the transfer case,and the low range from the tranny?I bet it could...Thinking about a EA81 on 35" tires gives me wood. It'd probably turn them, but I'd look into an EJ swap ahead of tyres over 28" on a Sube. If you're really going to be wheeling it the way it sounds like you are, you'll want fuel injection as well as the extra power. Once that's in, work on the gears and tyres. Edit: I forgot to include a link to the Dana 35 Tribute Page. If that doesn't convince you that this might not be the best axle to be starting with, bear in mind that products like this exist to help you get home from the trail where it breaks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy FitzGibbon Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 As was pointed out, you couldn't use it in the rear because it would be turning the wrong way. Owning a Ford has made me hate Twin Traction Beams... they wear tires funny and all the parts are expensive (and there are a lot of parts). I just put around 2K into the TTB of my F250, replacing bearings, axles, drag link, ball joints, ect. As a side note, AMC Eagles also use IFS with a Dana center section- I think it's either a 30 or 35. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 As was pointed out, you couldn't use it in the rear because it would be turning the wrong way. I don't think that's the case. as a transfer case would spin the driveshaft the opposite direction. that's why the divorced tcased guys can use a subaru rear diff up front.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casm Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 As a side note, AMC Eagles also use IFS with a Dana center section- I think it's either a 30 or 35.Andy It's a D30. One thing worth adding about the D30 vs. the D35: the D30 as used in front of the XJ-series Cherokee (and, I also believe, the YJ- and TJ-series Wranglers and ZJ-/WJ-series Grand Cherokees) were reverse-rotation; it'll be the most common front diff you'll find in your local Jeep graveyard. Never seen a reverse-rotation D35, but that doesn't mean they're not out there in something (and still crappy ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy FitzGibbon Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 I don't think that's the case. as a transfer case would spin the driveshaft the opposite direction. that's why the divorced tcased guys can use a subaru rear diff up front.... Yeah, you're right. Brain fart. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast I Drive Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Ive seen a second gen Brat on a Bronco II chasis, but it wasn't exactly pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertsoob Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Now im not sure how you would swap a TTB D35 into a subie.... And if you did do it, I would recommend very soft Jeep XJ coils. You can choose different manufacturers of springs and they all have different spring rates. TTB lift springs are too stiff for really good flex. I have a 86 Bronco II with a D35 up front and a 8.8 out back. I spin 35's with 4.88 gears and a t-case doubler. Double low is 6.15:1 ! I know alot of people hate the TTB and the D35, however when built right can give great flex and be plenty strong. I decided against the SAS full width Dana 44 swap after running the Rubicon and the Dusy Ershim on the TTB! I also have no tire wear issues and it aligns great! But of course, everyone has thier own opinions and experiences. Dusy Ershim Odessa Canyon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertsoob Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I dont have a link, maybe a web search would work. But a few years ago there was a guy who installed front and rear TTB D28's with a V8 and had a small car body installed on top. He was trying that since the TTB front works so well in desert racing. I think he was trying to build a prerunner type rig. I dont think it went over very well. FWIW...I think a solid axle swap would be easier. THe TTB is going to need alot of brackets and there are wierd factors due to the design...like 1" or lift actually gives 1.5" of lift and if the drop brackets are not long enough, they only sell 3.25 degree camber kits so you will have alignment issues. I have had good luck with mine and really like it, but to each thier own. I included a link to my cardomain page. It has the build up of my rig and I have some pretty good pics of the 12" extended radius arms I built for the front. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/958490/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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