markjw Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/car/494681866.html I know the duel range, shift lever trans is the better set up. The thing is, this one has everything else I'm looking for. How crappy is the push button 4wd anyways? Assuming its everything the owner says it is,do you think its worth considering? Thanks for any advice. I forgot to mention that I know its the push button type 4wd 'cause I emaild him and asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 That's just a bit too expensive in WA state for a Loyale with that mileage. Especially with the push-button (All Loyales were push button). Plus they are stripped down models compared to the GL's. Look for an 88 or 89 GL - prefereably with a bad clutch or axle or something. Get it cheap though as these are a dime a dozen. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indrid cold Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/car/494681866.html I know the duel range, shift lever trans is the better set up. The thing is, this one has everything else I'm looking for. How crappy is the push button 4wd anyways? Assuming its everything the owner says it is,do you think its worth considering? Thanks for any advice. I forgot to mention that I know its the push button type 4wd 'cause I emaild him and asked. It depends upon what your going to do with the car, how handy you are with tools and what you expect it to do for the money. If your looking for transportation... they are good runners. I have a 1988 with the push button... I happen to like it but I do little off road but do alot of back road driving and it's great just to go "push" and there you go. The age is something that has to be considered and if you do your own mechanical work as it is getting to the age that even with all the new things... it will need TLC. If your looking for something too tear up, then it is better to start with something that is cheap and you put the sweat and tears into building it up. Right now your paying for the time that someone else has invested, if you can afford this cost of the car. (Just read above post by G.D. and he is right in regards that I payed $160 for my 88', swaped engine for $200 and been running for the last 2 years...but recently now sick, so my time was worth finding one that needed work, cost was way cheap. This would make a great second car if it runs out o.k. Always of course bring down the price a bit. No one can really say what is or isn't a good deal. Seems o.k. I guess, lets see what some of the others say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjw Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 Thanks for all the info. I am just looking for a commuter. I have a lifted '80 wagon for the fun stuff. If all Loyales are push button, then are the '88 '89 GL's lever shifted 4wd transmissions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 then are the '88 '89 GL's lever shifted 4wd transmissions? Yes, with SPFI, and more features than a Loyale. DL's were pushbutton, GL's were dual range. Loyales are stripped down GL's with the DL transmission (so they wouldn't compete with the Legacy). If you want a commuter then find a Gen 1 Legacy. Seriously there's no better time. Got my 94 with 132k on it and a bad water pump for $750. Cost me $200 in parts and 3 hours to fix it. There's no comparison in comfort, power, handling, etc. Plus the Legacy wagon is bigger inside with more leg room than the GL/Loyale. AWD is great too - don't have to worry about being on a "slick" surface, and for a commuter you aren't ever going to need low range. Decent snow tires is all you need - the Legacy has plenty of low-end grunt with that big engine. And I get 25+ in town with mine. 4WD EA82 will get about 27 (that guy's claim of 30 is high). The difference isn't enough to bother with. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy FitzGibbon Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I actually preferred the push button 4WD in my Loyale for winter driving. It did OK as a fire road runner too, until the rear end finally broke out from under it (rust). But mostly it was a good commuter. GD is right, the Legacys are a major step up in power and comfort level. As far as mileage, I got as much as 32 MPG in my 4WD Loyale. That was with very careful 55-65 MPH driving. I did check the odometer against the mileage markers on the interstate and factored in the difference (I think I was gaining one mile in 40 miles traveled). I got that mileage more than once, so it wasn't just a bad fill up that gave me a false reading. With more casual driving, I got 27-30. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjw Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 GD,Thanks for all that info on the DL,GL,Loyale. That clears up alot of confusion. But, you got me thinking the Legacy may be what I'm looking for. I'm all about comfort in a commuter. What years do the first gen. legacy span and what transmission do you recommend? You say AWD, is that standard in the gen 1 legacy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 But, you got me thinking the Legacy may be what I'm looking for. I'm all about comfort in a commuter. What years do the first gen. legacy span and what transmission do you recommend? You say AWD, is that standard in the gen 1 legacy? Yes - AWD is the standard, although 2WD "L" series were produced. The 90 to 94 Legacy's are your best bet. Both because they are inexpensive, and because they have the bulletproof EJ22. They are the "gen 1" Legacy body so aren't as desireable. 95 saw a body redesign and the introduction of OBD-II computer systems. More complicated, and more expensive due to the desireability of the body style. If you *want* an automatic, the 4EAT is a good transmission. All the Legacy's had them. Again both 2WD and AWD were availible. The older AWD's sometimes suffer from "torque bind" but it's pretty easily corrected if you are handy with tools. Personally I stick with manual's - the AWD 5 speed is arguably more bulletproof than the engine - the EJ22 + AWD 5 speed combo is EASILY good for 300,000+ miles. Timing belt changes every 60k, and make sure you change the water pump every other belt change. 130 HP, AWD 5 speed, comfortable seats, non-common ground radio's and DIN sized decks, more leg room, AC that works, radiators and cooling systems that are well designed, lots of room under the hood, 5 lug wheel pattern, 14" wheels, etc, etc. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjw Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 130 HP, AWD 5 speed, comfortable seats, non-common ground radio's and DIN sized decks, more leg room, AC that works, radiators and cooling systems that are well designed, lots of room under the hood, 5 lug wheel pattern, 14" wheels, etc, etc. GD They aren't the sportyest thing going down the road, kinda why I haven't looked at them too closely. But,neither is anything else I drive. With all the creature comforts, power,handling etc,etc, and the relatively inexpensive price, I think I could learn to like one. Going back to CL. See what I can find. Thanks GD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchsub Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 They aren't the sportyest thing going down the road, kinda why I haven't looked at them too closely. But,neither is anything else I drive. With all the creature comforts, power,handling etc,etc, and the relatively inexpensive price, I think I could learn to like one. Going back to CL. See what I can find.Thanks GD. Haha hell of a lot sportier than a Loyale or GL. Those cars could only dream of 130 horse stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboobaroo Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Haha hell of a lot sportier than a Loyale or GL. Those cars could only dream of 130 horse stock. My coupe "thinks" its sporty but mainly because I made it so. For a good commuter, I'm gonna agree with GD on this one. While the EA82 is not bad for a commuter (I use mine everyday), the Legacys are much nicer and more comfortable then the EA82 cars. That and there's a little aftermarket parts for them along with the 5x100 bolt pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 i'd go for a Legacy too if you can find one in your price range. price wise it's usually easier on the pocket book to go with a loyale or EA82. there are great deals out there if you keep looking, but EA series stuff is far more prevalent and typically gives you more options than EJ stuff. finding an EA in great shape with under 100k on it is far easier than an EJ. but there's even 97-99 impreza's around me right now for well under $1000...they need a bit of work but far nicer than EA stuff and easier on my eyes than those early legacy's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Out here he won't even have to look hard. I see two or three a week that are screaming deals. WA/OR ya know..... Saw a 93 Impreza for $400 a few weeks back that needed a rear diff We have the hookup on old Subaru's out here. Anything you could want pretty much. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 this area has bargain basement EJ's as well. getting one for under $500 is easily doable. i'm sure there's other pockets..probably further up the northeast, colorado is a dime-a-dozen area too. that one sounds like the early impreza out here, needs a power steering pump $500. with EJ's you're getting airbags as well, none of the EA's had that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 with EJ's you're getting airbags as well, none of the EJ's had that. Fat lot of good that did my insurance rates! Went from an 85 EA82 4WD DD to my 94 AWD Wagon and the price went up $15 a month in spite of the fact that I now have airbags, AND ABS. It's a racket I tell ya.... Perhaps it's because mine is a GT model - maybe they think that's somehow sporty or something. I guess they have never seen one live and in person GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Fat lot of good that did my insurance rates! funny you mention that, who was that with? this surprised me two days ago. with Liberty mutual my 2 XT6 is nearly twice that of my 97 OBS. i called Nationwide this week and there was no difference, every vehicle on our policy was within a few dollars ($5) of each other. I asked and they said they don't "calculate it that way anymore" or something to that affect. The airbags, ABS, two doors and even the fact that we have far more vehicles than drivers (2) didn't matter. I was surprised as well, but I guess different companies do different things. They said with newer vehicles (around 2000+) that would change significantly. Still curious if that's what would happen if I went through with them and gave them VIN's, and actual information, from what they said and your experience that is probably the case. maybe you could try another company? if you went to college, check with their alumni association. or any other possible group...military, etc. i get group discounts as an alumni of Georgia Tech and absolutely stellar rates. literally cut my insurance in half. I guess they have never seen one live and in person HAAAAA!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Yeah - I do plan to switch when my policy comes up. I'm with Progressive right now, but my agent sugested I change when a couple "items" drop off my record. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy FitzGibbon Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Fat lot of good that did my insurance rates! Went from an 85 EA82 4WD DD to my 94 AWD Wagon and the price went up $15 a month in spite of the fact that I now have airbags, AND ABS. It's a racket I tell ya.... Perhaps it's because mine is a GT model - maybe they think that's somehow sporty or something. I guess they have never seen one live and in person GD For some reason, my ex's rates went down considerably when she switched from a '92 Loyale to an '89 4Runner. Makes no sense to me. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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