85T-REX Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 NO.When it takes ~5-6 years and/or ~80-180k for the problem to be prevalent enough to be consider a patteren failure. Then it will take ~ the same amount of time and/or milage, after replacement, to determine if the new gaskets are truely a fix. Just because the engineer said this gasket will fix the problem, does not mean it will. I'm sure they thought the first one would work. I'm sure they thought the head gaskets they used in the Phase II 2.5 engines would work. They don't. NO. But if this was truely what you believe, how could you say that they are just a reliable as the 2.2's that the MAJORITY go over this mileage without ever needing the gaskets replaced. NO. See above. I think you misunderstand the gasket issue. As many do. Okay, just checking. Thanks. I just don't remember reading about anybody that's replaced them having to do it again. Has anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWalker Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 How long has it been since you (on a regular basis) started reading about people having to replace head gaskets on 2.5 DOHC's. Think about it. Also, I base my information on the large number of head gasket jobs I have done on 2.5's vs. the very small number that I have done on 2.2's over a span of 10+ years. It ain't looking good for the 2.5's. They made the 2.2 for FIVE years before they started making the 2.5, and continued to make them for THREE more years. The 2.2 was produced for TWICE as many years as the 2.5. If the 2.2 was as suseptible to head gasket failure after 100k as the 2.5, then I should be doing more 2.2 head gasket work than 2.5. The numbers are very much in favor of the 2.2 in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85T-REX Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 How long has it been since you (on a regular basis) started reading about people having to replace head gaskets on 2.5 DOHC's. Think about it. Also, I base my information on the large number of head gasket jobs I have done on 2.5's vs. the very small number that I have done on 2.2's over a span of 10+ years. It ain't looking good for the 2.5's. They made the 2.2 for FIVE years before they started making the 2.5, and continued to make them for THREE more years. The 2.2 was produced for TWICE as many years as the 2.5. If the 2.2 was as suseptible to head gasket failure after 100k as the 2.5, then I should be doing more 2.2 head gasket work than 2.5. The numbers are very much in favor of the 2.2 in the real world. I understand all of that and it goes without saying. My question is how many have you had to do twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWalker Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 None that I have done. They have all been within the last 5 years. Ask me again in another 5 years. Then you will have some usable information. I have replaced 2 or 3 sets that have been done buy someone besides me. For now we can chaulk those up to the work not being done properly. I have talked to another shop that did a set, the owner put another ~100k on in a matter of a couple years. I know them, and trust that they would have done the job right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWalker Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Anyhoo.............................................The point is......................When someone has a question about a '96 Outback over heating. Type of engine 2.2 or 2.5 and milage on the car IS pertinent information. I think the person who started the thread made a decission as to what to do with the car in question. I hope we haven't scared off the other person who asked about their car in this same thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWalker Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 mlpdickerson, Please start a new thread with any questions you may have. Really we do want to try and help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlpdickerson Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Anyhoo.............................................The point is......................When someone has a question about a '96 Outback over heating. Type of engine 2.2 or 2.5 and milage on the car IS pertinent information. I think the person who started the thread made a decission as to what to do with the car in question. I hope we haven't scared off the other person who asked about their car in this same thread. that would be me-no scaring off-interesting reading-i was going to start my own thread(as suggested) but i seem to be blocked from doing it and dont see where to do it. at any rate-still have to do all those things nipper suggested when i get home or when my new radiator cap comes in-important for this to be oem also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWalker Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 that would be me-no scaring off-interesting reading-i was going to start my own thread(as suggested) but i seem to be blocked from doing it and dont see where to do it. at any rate-still have to do all those things nipper suggested when i get home or when my new radiator cap comes in-important for this to be oem also? Radiator caps are radiator caps IMO, you can use aftermarket. Did you decide for sure that your engine is a 2.5L? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlpdickerson Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 it is an automatic and the sticker under the hood says 25 so.. where am i supposed to start my new thread? the option only appears in places that seem inappropriate to my topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWalker Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 When you are on the "New Generation of Subarus" main page, there is a "New Thread" icon above the list of current threads. We know it is a 2.5, list the milage, the most detailed discription of the symptoms and when they occur as you can, and anything you have checked or replaced already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85T-REX Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 None that I have done. They have all been within the last 5 years. Ask me again in another 5 years. Then you will have some usable information. I have replaced 2 or 3 sets that have been done buy someone besides me. For now we can chaulk those up to the work not being done properly. I have talked to another shop that did a set, the owner put another ~100k on in a matter of a couple years. I know them, and trust that they would have done the job right. That's good to hear. You should know soon enough. Even with what you've said here I don't see a reason to disagree with nipper. He mentioned that any car (Subaru or not) with 160k is a risk. Which is true. It's the degree of risk that was assumed and/or misunderstood in the first place. No need to make a mountain out of a molehill. Or is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWalker Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Even with what you've said here I don't see a reason to disagree with nipper. He mentioned that any car (Subaru or not) with 160k is a risk. Which is true. It's the degree of risk that was assumed and/or misunderstood in the first place. You and nipper are absolutly 100% correct. The higher the mileage the higher the risk. That is some profound insight for sure. That is what he said her. At 160,000 miles, a HG is a risk on any used car. Not what was said here. Do the research (as I have) and the higher the mileage on the car, subarus are not more likely to blow a headgasket then any other car on the road. This statement is asinine, to be blunt. No need to make a mountain out of a molehill. Or is there? No:grin: I'm just a little slow. If you want to say, that high mileage cars are more likely to break down, than low mileage cars, that I can understand. If you throw mileage numbers and compairison to other cars in the mix, I get a little confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montana105 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Guys and Gals,this sure turned into a hate Nipper thread.I think you all missed the point of Nippers post.He wasn't even commenting about Subaru engines specifically,just a very true provable point that any used car with 160000 miles is more susceptible to HG failure.Maybe Nipper doesn't like the 2.5 but he didn't deserve that Gross and Skip> iwould love for you to show me a vehicle that anyone can buy that has 160000 miles with very questionable maintenace that wouldn't be more prone to HG failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWalker Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Guys and Gals,this sure turned into a hate Nipper thread.I think you all missed the point of Nippers post.He wasn't even commenting about Subaru engines specifically,just a very true provable point that any used car with 160000 miles is more susceptible to HG failure.Maybe Nipper doesn't like the 2.5 but he didn't deserve that Gross and Skip> iwould love for you to show me a vehicle that anyone can buy that has 160000 miles with very questionable maintenace that wouldn't be more prone to HG failure. That wouldn't be more prone to HG failure, as compaired to what? If you want a Subaru that is LESS prone to head gasket failure then you buy a Subaru with a 2.2L engine. Why do you think people replace 2.5L Subaru engines with 2.2L Subaru engines. Why do you think people replace water cooled VW Vanagon engines with Subaru 2.2L engines. They have proven to be of better design and LESS prone to head gasket failure EVEN AT HIGHER MILEAGE. If a 2.5L Subaru engine makes it to 100k on the original head gasket, it is more prone to head gasket failure than the same 2.2L Subaru engine. Look at the history. I have no worries about my 186k mile '98 2.2L Legacy sedan head gaskets. I could not say the same if it was a 186k mile '98 2.5L Legacy GT, (which is what I really wanted but know the truth first hand about the head gaskets). Don't hate nipper, just think he is makeing some VERY misleading statements concerning 2.2L vs. 2.5L engines. And he refusess to back up his statements. So I keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montana105 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 That is exactly the point-it's not Subaru specific.We all know that the 2.2 is more dependable in all regards,but Nipper wasn't just talking Subaru as evidenced by his quote.I don't recall Nipper saying any specific engine any manufacture,just mileage and maybe maintenance. Walker-you don't happen to work for the Subaru dealership in Bozeman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 That is exactly the point-it's not Subaru specific.We all know that the 2.2 is more dependable in all regards,but Nipper wasn't just talking Subaru as evidenced by his quote.I don't recall Nipper saying any specific engine any manufacture,just mileage and maybe maintenance.Walker-you don't happen to work for the Subaru dealership in Bozeman? I did not say it was subaru specific. thank You nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montana105 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Exactly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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