EVOthis Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 ok i was on my way home from Wendys today and i stopped at a stop sign went to let the clutch out and press on the gas and i got this awful BANG and now my suby wont move in any gear...over the past few days it seemed that the clutch was kind of grabbing.....now my suby wont move in any gear.....shift linkage is ok and car starts and idle fine....than as soon as i push in the clutch i get this like rubbing sound........i did the clutch like 10,000 miles ago and its been fine until a few days ago......any help would be appreciated.....did my pressure plate snap??.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Have you checked your drive axles to see if one is broken? The default postion for the clutch is engaged, not disnegaed. Maybe you broke your pressure plate, but thats really really really hard to do on a stock engine. Cant you park the car in gear and not have it roll? have you tried starting the car in gear? How many miles? When you replaced the clutch, what did you replace? nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundedbrat Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 sounds like a stripped hub pretty common had a few like that if you can put it in gear while it is running and have some one look to see if the castle nuts are turning, if so thats what it is. good luck! just realized you are talking about a 96 legacy so above info was for older gen cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowmastered87GL Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Sounds like when I stripped out a hub. With the hood open, put it in REVERSE (for safety) and have someone look down at the driveshafts (cv's) to see if they are spinning. I used 4WD to get mine home to get the hub changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOthis Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 nipper....just checked the drive axles and none are broken and all are in proper placement..... the car is a 96 legacy ej22 and it just turned to 189,000...i did the clutch,pressure plate, release bearing (with new clips), pilot bearing, and flywheel at 179,500.... when i did it i torqued everything to spec. but i was thinking if it was technician (my) error than im sure i would have noticed something sooner.....it has felt fine until maybe 2 days ago......i will go try to start the car in gear and see what happens.....as always thanks for your help..........alright just went outside car starts in gear.......i can start it in gear and once its started i can let my foot off the clutch with it still in gear and nothing happens car doesnt stall or anything....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 nipper....just checked the drive axles and none are broken and all are in proper placement..... the car is a 96 legacy ej22 and it just turned to 189,000...i did the clutch,pressure plate, release bearing (with new clips), pilot bearing, and flywheel at 179,500.... when i did it i torqued everything to spec. but i was thinking if it was technician (my) error than im sure i would have noticed something sooner.....it has felt fine until maybe 2 days ago......i will go try to start the car in gear and see what happens.....as always thanks for your help..........alright just went outside car starts in gear.......i can start it in gear and once its started i can let my foot off the clutch with it still in gear and nothing happens car doesnt stall or anything....... Myabe the tranny input shaft went poof? I was hoping the car would move staring off in gear. Another possability is the clutch disc exploded. What brand clutch? nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOthis Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 everything was SACHS...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Nothing on the net indicating any problems. Well there arent many things to make this problem without tearung it apart. If you broke a clutch fork ro TO bearing,the car would start and move in gear. If you broke an axle, the car would drive the rear wheels. The key here is that the clutch was grabby. That would go back to a disc problem or a pressure plate. If the disc was to go bad you would be down to the metal fingers of the clutch plate http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86592 Pressure plates are now giant belville springs, which makes them almost impossible to break. Sometimes thing break. Almost anything else i can think of would give a warning sign (the clutch grabbing .... maybe over heating then self destruction?) Tranny should give lots and lots of warnings before it goes poof, unless it ran out of grease? Does it feel like the clutch pedal is attached to anything? Is ther reistance at the clutch fork? nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 and i got this awful BANG Nipper, your thoughts on this. Any chance of it being in two gears at once? 1st and 3rd come to mind. Let the clutch out BANG goes the main shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Nipper, your thoughts on this. Any chance of it being in two gears at once? 1st and 3rd come to mind. Let the clutch out BANG goes the main shaft. Thats a possability, but that usually happens from the car is parked. Also that would lock up the drivetrain, it doesnt explain why the car can still move, and the engine still start and run in gear. I thought about that. As I understand the problem 1- Car will not move itself in gear with the engine running. 2- Car will start in gear and not move (with or without the clutch) 3- Clutch engaged the car acts like it is in neutral. 4- Car can not be parked in gear. The car should have just stalled if 2 gears engaged at once with the clutch out. Or am i wrong? I'm begining to think the bang was the clutch disc self destructing. Of course it's not in my driveway so hard to tell. nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOthis Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 the only tranny issue i recently had was that it started popping out of 4th but if i held it there it would be fine.....it shifted smooth into every gear..... there is def. resistance on the clutch fork......its not the bad to drop the tranny...tomarrow is supposed to be a nice day here....i may leave school early and come home and get started tearing into it......keep throwing suggestions out there it is very helpful since ive never had to deal with this particular problem before.....you know i was thinking this whole thing is pretty ironic.....i had 2 vehicles until yesterday when i sold my saturn.....and now boom down goes Suby..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Ok im discounting two gears at once. If you came to a full stop, the engine would have stalled and the drivtrain locked up. If it was a rolling stop, its impossible to get the car into two gears at once unless you have a 40 inch bicept while moving, and are deaf (going to make very nasty noises). I'm going with exploded clutch disc. But no matter the cause, to find it you have to get to the clutch anyway. nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOthis Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 what exactly causes the clutch to explode?.......the one thing i know i forgot to do when i replaced the clutch 10k ago was the seperator plate which i will def. be doing now.......yeah i threw it in neutral and came to a stop, pressed in the clutch, put it in gear and very slowly eased the clutch out just like normal and BANG...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinthe202 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 ...to find it you have to get to the clutch anyway. nipper Couldn't Evo peek through the shift for hole or the little plate that exposes the flywheel, perhaps with the aid of a flashlight and dental mirror? I have no idea if this would work, but easier then pulling the tranny. EDIT- sorry, fast typing, should read "shift fork":) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOthis Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 thats a good idea.....i tried......not quite enough room.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 what exactly causes the clutch to explode?.......the one thing i know i forgot to do when i replaced the clutch 10k ago was the seperator plate which i will def. be doing now.......yeah i threw it in neutral and came to a stop, pressed in the clutch, put it in gear and very slowly eased the clutch out just like normal and BANG...... Thing break But....... The grabbing tells me something was up. When a clutch gets hot it will grab. If a clutch over heats it will start grabbing, then it will fail, sometimes spectacularly. What will cause it to over heat? The clutch not fully disengaging when depressed. This can be a weak hydraulic clutch, a broken clutch fork (since subarus pull the fork insteads of pulling it) lubricant on the disc (a longshot). nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamal Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 sounds like a clutch related problem to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 thats a good idea.....i tried......not quite enough room.... I thought of that too. lets do something simple. Have someone run through the gears while the car is on ramps. Make sure everything moves the way its supposed too. Check the tranny mount. nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinthe202 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Thing break But....... The grabbing tells me something was up. When a clutch gets hot it will grab. If a clutch over heats it will start grabbing, then it will fail, sometimes spectacularly. What will cause it to over heat? The clutch not fully disengaging when depressed. This can be a weak hydraulic clutch, a broken clutch fork (since subarus pull the fork insteads of pulling it) lubricant on the disc (a longshot). nipper All the 2.2's had cables didn't they? So same theory could apply with an improper cable adjustment. eh? I know when I replaced my clutch cable, the lock nuts came loose like 4 times before I got them tight enough to stay put (grrrrrr) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 All the 2.2's had cables didn't they? So same theory could apply with an improper cable adjustment. eh? I know when I replaced my clutch cable, the lock nuts came loose like 4 times before I got them tight enough to stay put (grrrrrr) yes. One of theings i was going to suggest a bad cable, as the cause, but wasnt sure. this is a PSA people, replace the clutch, spend the extra money and replace your clutch cable too. nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOthis Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 yeah again i dont understand...... the reason my clutch went last time....was that it was improperly adjusted so i replaced the clutch and had at least 5 other people with Subarus make sure the clutch felt alright....we adjusted it perfect (free play measurement) and havent touched it since....so the clutch was adjusted right.....the thing i keep thinking is that the oil from the seperator plate is getting on the clutch (yes i know it would have to get around the flywheel).......that is a good idea nipper...chances are the cable is original....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinthe202 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 ....we adjusted it perfect (free play measurement) and havent touched it since....so the clutch was adjusted right..... What I meant to suggest was that it was adjusted correctly but wriggled itself out of adjustment. Mine did this a handful of times. The only reason I knew it was slipping out of adjustment was 'cause it got difficult to get into reverse. the thing i keep thinking is that the oil from the seperator plate is getting on the clutch (yes i know it would have to get around the flywheel) But if fluid were involved, wouldn't you smell it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 What I meant to suggest was that it was adjusted correctly but wriggled itself out of adjustment. Mine did this a handful of times. The only reason I knew it was slipping out of adjustment was 'cause it got difficult to get into reverse. But if fluid were involved, wouldn't you smell it? Also as cables stretch to the point of failure, they wont fully release the clutch. The seperator plate on't get on the disc, but the main seal or tranny seal may. nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOthis Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 thats a good suggestion.......the thing is i check under my hood about 3 times a week at everything.....im currently in school to become a mechanic....so whenever i have the time at school or at work when im done i make a good check over of pretty much everything under the hood.......well i know it isnt the main seal.....it was pretty dry around the rear main when i did the clutch last time.......hopefully your right nipper and i will just have to replace the clutch and pressure plate....and the cable......i really dont want to put a tranny in this thing, even if it is a junkyard one for $150..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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