New Project "Power Ru"

[True2Blue]

EJ25/STI will be purchased and installed in my lifted wagon this summer. i dont wanna run turbo though:rolleyes:

Parts Coming:

 

**Upcoming New**

*Struts

*Axles

*Rear diff (locked)

*Windsheild

*27" tires

*Custom front bumper

*EJ25 with conversion kit

*misc interior parts. dress up

*Door window motors

 

**Already have**

*26.5" tires

*15" alloys

*Rear square tube bumper w/spare tire mount and hitch

*2,000lb winch

*Black lush seat covers

*Black SUV floor mats

*Black carbon weave shifter

*Stereo system (JVC deck with rockford amp & P2 sub in huge ported box)

*EA82 Engine with 200 miles on it.

 

thats all i can think of for now...:cool:

[TheSubaruJunkie]

So if you dont want to run a turbo, then why are you getting a STi 2.5??

 

Why not find a standard EJ25 from an outback or forester? Im sure it will be cheaper.

[testy]

Umm. With that much horsepower why dont you go with a 31" tire?

[True2Blue]

This is why I posted this thread. For info and opinions

[beataru]

IN MY OPINION, since thats what you want, that car will be very cool, but I would possebly increase the comp ratio on that badboy a bit, at least get some thinner head gaskets if your not gonna run turdbo power!

[GeneralDisorder]

It's pretty clear from your post that you really have no idea what you are doing.

 

You need to do a lot less asking of questions, and a lot more reading, searching, and listening around here.

 

GD

[TheSubaruJunkie]

No way Rick. What could be cooler than having a STi motor in your car?

[Turbone]

Ok, just to prove it can be done..........

 

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1475098

 

 

[beataru]

That sounds like an EJ25 to me! Ill do that to my car way way way in the future, unless it gets totalled or something horrible like that

 

The only thing cooler than an ej257 in your roo? flying on a rocket ship to outer space... maybe

[mellow65]

Ok, just to prove it can be done..........

 

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1475098

 

 

 

of course it can be done the question is still why run a sti motor with no turbo with the lower compression you would be probably running less power then a na 2.5

 

but still any swaps are cool, i say if you're going to have the sti motor put the whole thing in turbo and all.

 

[beataru]

if he lowered the compression a bit, he should be able to achieve at least 165, I hope! plush a NA car is generally more reliable than a turbo car (I.E. no hoses to pop off and yes no matter what the brand, THEY DO POP OFF!!!!)

 

Its your car man, you make the choice, and remember you can always pop in the Turdbo later, it will be louder with out the turbo, both the intake and exhaust and you should have the torque you need.

 

 

If your gonna trail run it, I would suggest putting in the standard ej25 flywheel, they are heavyer than the standard sti right? More weight=More momentum for the engine which inturn equals, better crawling!

 

I COMMAND YOU THIS:

TAKE LOTS OF PICTURES, and learn to use the camera before posting , we dislike fuzzy pics even though we all post them, and along with the taking lots of pics, put them on the board! give us updates lots of updates. Together all of us on the board have a combined IQ of the lowest genius score so, we might be able to help you. That genius thing is pushing it though.

[michael appel]

Just do it the whole thing If I had access to a sti I would put it in no problem plus you less likely to have to press the pedal to the floor like I do

[True2Blue]

well i did some research and i wanna run a ej25, but just a wrx not sti.i found a 2007 wrx engine for $3000. its worth it to me. so when i actually buy the engine i will cut the rails accordingly get the harness stripped and do all of the mount and radiator space mods. i know ill need and adapter plate cause im runnin the dua; range. also a front disk conversion.. pics coming soon to show you what it looks like and what i have done to it.

[GeneralDisorder]

well i did some research and i wanna run a ej25, but just a wrx not sti.i found a 2007 wrx engine for $3000. its worth it to me. so when i actually buy the engine i will cut the rails accordingly get the harness stripped and do all of the mount and radiator space mods. i know ill need and adapter plate cause im runnin the dua; range. also a front disk conversion.. pics coming soon to show you what it looks like and what i have done to it.

 

1. There's no rail cutting required.

 

2. Turbo exhaust will require modifications to the cross-member.

 

3. The D/R won't hold 240 HP. You'll destroy it. In addition you'll eat axles, diffs and stubs.

 

4. Turbo's aren't generally great off-road. They don't make torque low enough due to low compression. And they are difficult to keep spooled when crawling. If you don't use the turbo at all, the engine will be a gutless, low compression boat anchor - with crappy mileage.

 

Nothing in the mods you have listed sugests you have the automotive sophistication required for a swap of this magnitude. If you do, then I appoligize for judging - but that's my assesment thus far. Your posts don't strike me as showing adequate knowledge of either your Subaru, or the various newer models you would like to swap from.

 

If you get as far as actually aquireing the WRX motor, then I would be surprised - but should you get that far, start sizing things up and mocking up your install - THEN ask questions. In the mean time do a lot of reading and searching.

 

GD

[TheSubaruJunkie]

You're right about not wanting to run a turbo on an off-road car, but thats not cause of hoses. Its cause of turbo lag and making no power at low revs. When wheelin, you want all your power at 2000rpm instead of 4000rpm so you can crawl over stuff.

 

Using a WRX engine is no different than a STi engine. You are still taking an engine that was turbo, and removing the turbo... you will have lower compression because of the pistons and instead of having no power at low revs, now you will have no power at low rev's or high rev's.

 

I suggest you do some research on the differences and what it all really means before you drop $3000 on a motor that will be worse off than the one you already have.

 

Just a suggestion.

-Brian

[True2Blue]

hey GD long time no real chat (Subaru_Mechanic) im done with ait now. 63 mike. goin to iraq in august.. how ya been?

 

i got as far as buying the car and a new engine now a locked rear diff. ill get a wrx engine im not gonna run turbo

[Turbone]

I bet a AT with the right stall converter in it, offroading would be feasible (turbo).

And the WRX is a EJ20.

[testy]

WRX = TURBO.

 

Definatly go with a 99 Forester Motor. SOHC, very reliable, 160 underrated horsepower. Very easy to coax more hammies out of that.

 

Also, early WRX are all 2.0L

 

I wouldnt hesitate to go with a turbo for offroad if I could afford it. I would pay special attention to securing ALL the exhaust as high and as tight as possible on the car. I would also run a significantly smaller turbo.

[mellow65]

if he lowered the compression a bit, he should be able to achieve at least 165, I hope! plush a NA car is generally more reliable than a turbo car (I.E. no hoses to pop off and yes no matter what the brand, THEY DO POP OFF!!!!)

 

lowered then 8.2:1 any lower and it wouldn't run. when a na 2.5 has 10:1 side by side with no boost running to it a na 2.5 would have more power. it's the 14 pounds of boost that gives you 300 horse power.

[TheSubaruJunkie]

ALL WRX's are turbo. So unless you plan on changing out the pistons when you do the conversion I would advise against making it a non-turbo.

 

I would do a EJ22 swap myself. It has more than enough power for your wagon.

[misledxcracker]

If I wanted an off-roader, EJ22 all the way. Cheap, reliable, and proven.

 

Say I won the lotto or something of that sort, I'd drop an STi motor and six-speed in my coupe, no questions asked. Turbo and all. Man... can't quit drooling

[Gloyale]

well i did some research and i wanna run a ej25, but just a wrx not sti.i found a 2007 wrx engine for $3000. its worth it to me. so when i actually buy the engine i will cut the rails accordingly get the harness stripped and do all of the mount and radiator space mods. i know ill need and adapter plate cause im runnin the dua; range. also a front disk conversion. pics coming soon to show you what it looks like and what i have done to it.

 

Man, I hope that's a typo.

 

I agree with GD, you need to spend alot more time reading and learning and less time daydreaming.

 

You clearly are not experienced enough yet to do this swap.

 

You are also not listening about the WRX/STI/Turbo issue. It is POINTLESS to use a STI/WRX motor without the turbo.

 

Get a regular, non-turbo motor, either 2.2 or 2.5. Spend time reading about the swap in the USRM and other posts.

 

This is all said in the spirit of helping you have a better ubaru, so pleae don't be offended, or feel like were pissing on you're applejacks.

[True2Blue]

I found a ej22. I can't find the swap info. Can someone post a link? Like I said im on my sidekick not a computer. I wanna make sure I gather everything ill need before the swap.

[Gyoas759]

I found a ej22. I can't find the swap info. Can someone post a link? Like I said im on my sidekick not a computer. I wanna make sure I gather everything ill need before the swap.

 

http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=73676

[WoodsWagon]

3. The D/R won't hold 240 HP. You'll destroy it. In addition you'll eat axles, diffs and stubs.

 

Times 10. I'm killing D/R's and I only have 135hp. I'm also killing axles on a 5 month interval, and rear ends on a 10 month interval. The EA drivetrain isn't meant to handle the torque of an oversized engine COMBINED with an abusive driver. If you're planning on putting in an EJ257, you are probably an abusive driver. I know I am.