The Dude Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 I went down to my Suby dealer for a replacement fuel filter for my 06 Forester. I had read that the fuel filter had been moved to the fuel tank, so I wasn't looking forward to the job. The parts counterguy looked at his computer for a few minutes and then said, "it's a permanet filter, no replacement is available. You change the fuel pump along with the filter". Can that be true? Suppose you get a tank of dirty gas. You'd have to replace the entire fuel pump instead of a low dollar replacable filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaruguru Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 i have heard of something like that i had to do a fule pump-filter ona chevy (a newer one) and it was almost like the filter was attached to the pump but they can be taken apart IIRC and you can replace just the filter. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backwoodsboy Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 the filter was attached to the pump but they can be taken apart IIRC and you can replace just the filter. +1 Ive seen this as well. Ive frustratingly written it off as more piss-poor planned-obsolescence. To me this makes as much sense as tie rod ends without grease fittings. Best of luck acquiring just the filter (they dont even have a seperate p#) J/Y maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 There has always been a sock filter in the tank to protect the pump itself (it has large clearances). This filter never gets replaced. Then there is the secondary filter which picks up the smaller particulate. Look on one of the supplier on line for the second filter or give them a call. I see filters available a very high price, to high for a sock filter. nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwbaru2 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Like Nipper said most pumps have a filter. I'd get a universal inline filter and install it in the engine compartment. Change that on a regular basis until you need a pump. Make sure the uni is suitable for pressuized fuel systems and has enough delivery volume. Might also consider getting a legecy filter and rig up a mounting point for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOthis Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 yeah it just kind of seems dumb to move the filter from the origional location on the drivers shock tower.......:-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebugs Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Could be even dumber and in the tank! Oops - accessable on the shock tower suddenly doesn't look so bad. Before everything went fuel injected it was very easy to add those cheap inline clear filters. Now sometimes its difficult to find a clear filter that can handle the pressure and a lot more of the fuel lines are metal so it's harder to find a home for them. I haven't had this issue on a Subaru yet. VW puts a filter and pump in a little box under the pass rear floor that is a pain to get apart when it all rusts and not convenient access at all. This is on their 3rd generation golf/jetta's and the filter is atleast twice the size of a Subaru fuel filter. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwbaru2 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 . Before everything went fuel injected it was very easy to add those cheap inline clear filters. Now sometimes its difficult to find a clear filter that can handle the pressure and a lot more of the fuel lines are metal so it's harder to find a home for them. Dave Oh yeah the good old days when ya reved your 4barrel and watched the fuel splash across the top of the carb just before the secondary kicked in. When the chrome was real and it was thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebugs Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Oh yeah the good old days when ya reved your 4barrel and watched the fuel splash across the top of the carb just before the secondary kicked in. When the chrome was real and it was thick. And our lives (and wallet) weren't governed by expensive polution control devices. When there was NO plastic under the hood. When there was NO alchohol in the gas (and all the problems it causes). I could go on - as I'm sure most folks could. Yea - those days. I'm middle aged I guess and boy do I miss those days. Able to work on a car without a having a code reader and computer... Bumpers that could cause damage rather then just being damaged... Those days. Life was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 And our lives (and wallet) weren't governed by expensive polution control devices. When there was NO plastic under the hood. When there was NO alchohol in the gas (and all the problems it causes). I could go on - as I'm sure most folks could. Yea - those days. I'm middle aged I guess and boy do I miss those days. Able to work on a car without a having a code reader and computer... Bumpers that could cause damage rather then just being damaged... Those days. Life was good. Only if you liked dying young. nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwbaru2 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Nipper you've got to be kidding. There's still some WWI vets around. My Dad lived till age 84 my mom is still alive and both my inlaws are still kicking. Besides better to live a short free life than a long controlled one. I can't even cut a dead tree down on my own property without big brother approval. I want to live in a sane world again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebugs Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Only if you liked dying young. nipper Nipper, I must have done something wrong then. I'm middle aged - I survived. And I wonder how anyone survived with all that is now outlawed. Three stooges (don't want kids poking each other in the eyes), lawn mowers have so many 'safety' features and emissions stuff that they are pathetic. Back in those days people actually believed in personal responsibility. Everyone wasn't looking to figure out how they could get some kinda victim label. And then figure out how NOT to work or have any responsibility using that label. This EXACT thing is unfolding now with the mortgage crisis! Folks gambled and lost (0 down, interest only, etc.) and now are 'victims' and OUR money will end up bailing them out. Then the gov't will come along late (as usual) and add a bunch of regulations to try and basically 'create' common sense. This also ties into the personal responsibility thing. Kids actually did stuff outdoors - for fun. Not glued to video games. Kids learned to win AND loose. And how to handle both situations. Yea - they were bad days alright. I'm actuall off to an investment thing to try and learn exactly where we are in this mess with the financials. Investing along with cars are my two main hobbies. Gonna be late. Gotta run. But yea - there was a lot to admire about those days. We're moving forward but I'm not so sure I'd call it 'progress' in many ways. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwbaru2 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Dave, I like the way you think. Sounds like we were sperated at birth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aircraft engineer Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Nah - I got the topper to these. I was in powertrain engineering at AMC ("rambler, gremlin, matador...") back in the early 70s and got a "strange" request from customer service to tell them where the fuel filter was on (as I remember) a 68 Rambler Wagon. So off to the files, pull the drawing(s) and see that there were "2" possible locations, either 1 in the axle hump or in the engine compartment in front of the carb. Called the dealer. yup, there's one right there in the engine compartment but when we take it off, there's no fuel gets out. Tell them about the other one. "OH, but those went away when you put the filter in the engine compartment"... but we'll check. Yup. HAD 2 FILTERS - 1 fully clogged (which they replaced with a piece of straight pipe). Now the rest of the story - it seems that they had assembled about 8 cars in Kenosha with "both" filters (of course, never bothering to TELL anyone...) I often wonder what happened to the other 7... and we wonder why 'Murcan Motors cars are considered the scum of the earth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 .......and we wonder why 'Murcan Motors cars are considered the scum of the earth... And how stupid is it to buy American Motors? Ask Renault. The Matador, the Gremlin, and of course, the Pacer, all the automotive equivalents of syrup of ipecac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaruplatt Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 The slant 6 engine was way too reliable to be profitable. It could outlast the car and still run perfectly smooth. Those ramblers were probably one of the last really grate american cars. Too bad they weren't pretentious enough to get any credit for what they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aircraft engineer Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Uhhh - the "slant 6" was a CHRYSLER product (I worked there, too). AMC's engine was "conventional" and actually aside from the sheet metal, about the only thing they "made" - steering - GM, trans Ford, radiator Harrison, etc. The engine actually started out as an "F head" - OH intake, FH exhaust (in the block - like "older" Jeeps). They went "conventional" when the pollution laws made them. The other "buy it" company was International - never could figure out exactly what you had until you tool it off and compared it with something else. Be happy Sub isn't a "mix-n-match". Pacer wasn't all bad - the unequal door lengths was a good idea for rear seat access. The amount of glass, though, produced an effect in direct sunlight of a "convection oven". Definitely not a car for So California Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebugs Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 IIR AMC was a large manufacturer of dashboards for the big 3 back in the day. Wonder what Toyoto's recently announced increase to 17% of Mitsu heavy Industries (Subaru) will mean going forward. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3eyedwagon Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Wonder what Toyoto's recently announced increase to 17% of Mitsu heavy Industries (Subaru) will mean going forward. Dave Nothing but bad things. Very bad things. And by that I mean; If you like originality, and a company willing to take risks like Subaru, it means bad things. I'm not saying anything negative about Toyotas product, I want to make that clear. Heck, it won't be long before they are the largest car company in the world. I'm just saying that I'm into Subarus because I don't want to drive around in another cheese box. The only good thing about the whole deal is that it isn't a controlling share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 IIR AMC was a large manufacturer of dashboards for the big 3 back in the day. Wonder what Toyoto's recently announced increase to 17% of Mitsu heavy Industries (Subaru) will mean going forward. Dave Toyo has no desire to won subaru, they just need the extra capacity to make cars. SUbaru is a small mfg and needs someone elses expertise on emissions and hybrid technology to keep up. They always had an option to increase their ownership level. And its Fuji Heavy industries "HONG KONG (MarketWatch) -- Toyota Motor Corp. (JP:7203: will almost double its stake in Subaru-vehicle maker Fuji Heavy Industries by purchasing about 30 billion yen ($294.7 million) in stock, according to a Japanese media report Wednesday. The share purchase will see Toyota will lift its stake in the mini-vehicle maker to 17% from 8.7%, the business daily Nikkei reported, without identifying its source. Fuji Heavy is likely to report its second consecutive double-digit loss for the fiscal year ended March 31, owing to slumping mini-car sales and high development costs" and "Reuters reports the plan to increase Toyota's ownership in Fuji Heavy Industries could be the latest alliance within an industry that is seeing lower sales volume in the United States. "Toyota wants to mitigate the risk of building new plants by utilizing Fuji Heavy's facilities both in Japan and the United States," Seiji Sugiura, an analyst with HSBC Securities in Tokyo, told Reuters. "Other automakers would also want to reduce risks for each other by boosting ties, even if that wouldn't amount to mergers and acquisitions." Toyota is generally cautious about taking over companies. It took three decades to make Daihatsu Motor Co., which makes small cars, and Japanese truckmaker Hino Motors Ltd. its subsidiaries since an initial partnership. Toyota also holds a 5.9 percent stake in truckmaker Isuzu Motors Ltd. Under the current alliance, Daihatsu makes the Justy compact car that Fuji sells in Europe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Nah - I got the topper to these. I was in powertrain engineering at AMC ("rambler, gremlin, matador...")............ Now the rest of the story - it seems that they had assembled about 8 cars in Kenosha with "both" filters (of course, never bothering to TELL anyone...) I often wonder what happened to the other 7... Okay, Creepy. Four-FLeet-Feet used to live in Clearfield PA, my home town. An now You used to work in Kenosha? My wife and her whole family are from there. Her Dad worked for AMC, then Chrysler for years. My son was born in Racine. Crazy small world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aircraft engineer Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Nope - MOM is from Clearfield. I worked in Deeetroit City (AMC engineering was there) I'm in a small town near Tacoma, they're both in PHX right now. I never made it to Kenosha - just heard stories about the building where pieces went in the upper floors of the building and cars came out the bottom (4 floors IIRC - top floor down assembly line) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-fleet-feet Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Nope - MOM is from Clearfield. I worked in Deeetroit City (AMC engineering was there) I'm in a small town near Tacoma, they're both in PHX right now. FYI: I'm in PHX under protest right now. Crazier small world: I've always wanted a Subaru. Dad, being retired Air Force and a WWII vet, told me if I dared park a Japanese-made car in his driveway he'd disown me. He also owned stock in AMC because, well, it was American Motors, don't you see. So in '85 when my Malibu died its final death, under his insistence I give an American a job I went and bought a (don't say it) Renault Alliance from... a Subaru dealer who had to have an AMC dealership to make ends meet. Still not much call for Subarus in Arizona - I've seen less than 10 in almost 2 weeks! Closest I came to having a Subaru until Dragon popped up on Craigslist! (Dad, according to the whole family back East, must be spinning in his urn now that Dragon's parked in his driveway.) Before you slam me for buying that Renault, I will state it has many of the same interior characteristics as the Imp I now drive. 5 door. Plastic interior with thin fabric on the seats. A pull-up rear seat you fold the tops down against. A hatch area a 5'6" woman can actually sleep in if necessary at a rest area (avalanche or flood closures!). A radio in the most Godforsaken place in front of the shifter. Cupholders which were added by a MAN or someone who never drank liquid unless medically required. And a rear seat only a baby, a puppy, or some inanimate cargo could love. Certainly no adult can ride back there for more than one mile (in either car) - and that's pushing it. But those were the good points of the Frogmobile, unless you count the amazing 51 MPG. However, if you tried to get it over any pass, even the one from Yuma to San Diego, the sidewinders were getting over it faster than you were! I don't miss it, never will. It died at 51K even with extra maintenance, when the timing belt snapped a week after its 50K dealer service. Dead engine. AMC, the losers, wouldn't help me out at all. At least my Imp has an engine, and Subaru's been helpful when I've needed it... (and before you think I was stooopid for buying a Renault, I'd like to inform you all that aircraft-engineer owned one as well... the things we did to make Dad happy:rolleyes: ) (more curious aside: Dad was born in Clearfield too. He also had a hard time of it when I informed him his American-made-give-someone-a-job '85 Bonneville was made with all-Canadian parts! Maybe he meant North American????) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Funny how all things point back to AMC i owned two ramblers myself , and my parents had two. nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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