Cold Chuck Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Alright, I replaced a "apple cored" governor gear about 600 miles ago (71,200 miles on the clock). Now, it got chewed up 600 miles later and I lost 3rd gear. The transmission shaft gear is fine and dandy. I took off the gear and put the governor in the hole - not much radial play. The shaft does not have much wear. The valves moves inside the bore smoothly. Now, why did the gear go bad that early? Is it my jerky driving style when driving at 50 mph on 6% grade with tranny hunting between 2nd and third gear? Any of you people experience this and what was your fix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carfreak85 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 :banana:Five speed swap time!!:banana: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 The drive gear inside the tranny is shot. There is probably a bad tooth on it somewhere and it's chewing the gov. gears up. Replace the tranny or do a 5 speed swap. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosens Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 There's an upgrade metal gear for that governor too. Least expensive and least time consuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Chuck Posted May 24, 2008 Author Share Posted May 24, 2008 That governor gear is a metal gear just like the first one. So how hard to tear it down to replace the transmission shaft gear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 So how hard to tear it down to replace the transmission shaft gear? Not worth it - the parts alone would cost more than a good used tranny. When rebuilding automatic transmissions, always figure around $1000 to $1200 give or take. And don't attempt the job yourself - without proper tools and training you'll just waste money and tear out your hair. And it probably won't last long as long as a used one would. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misledxcracker Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 I once got quoted $1,200 at a reputable shop in California to rebuild the 3AT that was in my coupe. One of the main reasons I got rid of my coupe was the transmission, and the lack of funds to do a 5-speed swap. The price of the rebuild kit is ridiculously high. So is a new governor, which I'd use if I were to rebuild one. Mind as well either 5 speed swap it, or get a junkyard transmission. Make sure the ATF doesn't smell like gear oil!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Chuck Posted May 25, 2008 Author Share Posted May 25, 2008 Alright, I bought a donor car - 1986 Wagon just like mine (mine is 87). This '86 has 5 speed but trashed clutch. Both same engine - EA82 carb. But '86 has high altitude modification done by dealer whereas mine has not been modified. So, is it easy to swap in? What about wiring? Thanks for the support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 The only wiring you have to worry about is the neutral safety switch. I think if you take the switch under the shifter and add a jumper, your good to go. Its alot of work to do the swap, but its worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Chuck Posted May 25, 2008 Author Share Posted May 25, 2008 okay what about the 4x4 switch? I took a look inside the auto center console and it has switches mounted to the side of the auto shifter. Now, a slightly different question... i would like to replace the input shaft seal while the 5 speed is out. Do I have to tear it down to replace the seal or will the front "cover" comes out of the front of the tranny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Now, a slightly different question... i would like to replace the input shaft seal while the 5 speed is out. Do I have to tear it down to replace the seal or will the front "cover" comes out of the front of the tranny? Why? I've never seen or heard of one failing.... GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Just use the wires from the AT switch to the switch thats on the 4wd lever. And the rear seal on these engines rarely leak. If its not leakin, dont mess with it! :-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Just use the wires from the AT switch to the switch thats on the 4wd lever.And the rear seal on these engines rarely leak. If its not leakin, dont mess with it! :-p I think he means he has a push-button 5 speed - that's a whole different ball of kittens if that's what you have. There's some vacuum stuff that you'll need to swap in order to get that stuff working - as well as wireing the switch. And the 3AT wireing won't help you there. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Chuck Posted May 25, 2008 Author Share Posted May 25, 2008 The seal is seeping a bit. I got the tranny out now. and the inside of the bellhousing is covered with gummy dust (oil mixed with clutch dust). The oil is coming out of the input shaft seal a little. The engine rear main seal is bone dry and flywheel housing is dry. Here is the thing, I drive 125 miles a day 5 days a week from 6500 ft to 10,500 ft and back down. Last thing I want to do is to repair what I should have repaired already in first place. To answer another question. The '86 donor car 5 speed 4wd has a 4WD lever where you have to pull it up to engage the 4x4. It might be dual range?? It has a microswitch mounted on the boot just next to the 4wd lever. The '87 keeper car 3AT has single range push button 4WD on the shifter just below the handle. Right now, I got the '86 donor car stripped off the pedal assembly, speedo cable (its longer version than 3AT version). It has "hill holder" valve but I am not going to use it unless if you tell me that its worth to have it. FYI, the donor car has 170,000 miles on it and the '87 keeper car has 72,000 miles on it. On '87 I assume that I will have to plug the vacuum line to the modulator from carb and disconnect wiring that I dont need for this transmission. Right? Or do I have to transfer the wiring from '86 donor car to '87 keeper car? Is the rear driveshaft same length? Axle spline should be OK I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Chuck Posted May 26, 2008 Author Share Posted May 26, 2008 Got the auto tranny out - what a pain. I am so sore. I had the flywheel resurfaced and installed on the engine along with new clutch. Now, what is left is to replace the front input seal on the tranny and stab the 5 speed tranny back in. I took out the entire pedal assembly from donor car to put into the keeper car. So, any advise about replacing that leaky seal in the input shaft? Rear main seal of the keeper car is bone dry also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 You will have to swap the radius rod plates (and cross-member obviously) as the cross-members bolt up differently for auto's vs. manual's. Hhhmm - I'm not sure the input shaft seal on the tranny can be replaced without splitting the case apart. I will have to look closer but I'm pretty sure you can't get it out. If it's just weeping I wouldn't worry about it. I've never replaced em in any of the one's I've had one - many with hundreds of thousands of miles on them. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misledxcracker Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 You sure about the radius rod plates? Thought that only applied for EA81's... Though yes, the crossmembers are different... I'm going to be doing the same swap myself, on my sedan soon here. And I've never even ran the automatic it has in it now! Not worth the time or money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 You sure about the radius rod plates? Thought that only applied for EA81's... Yeah - swapped a 4WD 3AT Loyale over to a 5 speed D/R last year and had to swap the plates. Pretty easy swap, but the bolts that hold the radius rod plates in place should be ran through a die and the holes in the body chased - they can be a pain. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Chuck Posted May 26, 2008 Author Share Posted May 26, 2008 Thanks. My neighbor came over yesterday afternoon. I happen to mention the input shaft seal was seeping abit and I am not going to touch it this time. He said "I have seen this before and its easy fix. Just take out 3 bolts." He used be a mechanic at some dealer before. I went into the house to get few things for him and went back out, there he was trying to pull the front cover off the tranny. Scratching the hell out of the aluminum pieces with two lady foot prybars. He told me that he now remembered that he never worked on Subaru transmission.. just other brands. He tried to put it back in but couldn't. I gave him his stuff and sent him away. :mad: Now. I gotta figure out how to reinstall the cover back on. It looks like it has a shim there and the cover is about 1/2 inch or so from mating the tranny case. This will be interesting. Thanks for telling me about the "radius plates" I dont know what that was but I assume that is a part where the crossmember bolts to and where it bolts to the body? Should I go ahead put in hill holder valve in before putting the 5mt back into the car? Any other advises I need to do before reassembling the keeper car? Last thing I want to do is after the car was finished, I overlooked important and easy stuff which is much harder to do once it is in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I'm not sure you need to replace the radius rod plates. I know others that have done the swap and they didnt. The EA81 Soobs, yes it needed to be changed. The radius rod is a stabilizer that goes from the lower a-arm to a plate on the body. The tranny x-member is bolted to it also. According to my parts book, they are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I'm not sure you need to replace the radius rod plates. I know others that have done the swap and they didnt. The EA81 Soobs, yes it needed to be changed.The radius rod is a stabilizer that goes from the lower a-arm to a plate on the body. The tranny x-member is bolted to it also. According to my parts book, they are the same. You may be right.... but I distinctly remember doing them on a 93 Loyale that a friend and I swapped from 3AT to 5MT. Perhaps somethine changed after the GL years. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Yeah, I just spent 1/2hr desiphering the parts book. The only difference was the plate had a different part # for one month in 87 I also wouldnt bother putting the hill holder in. Brakes lines need to be messed with and it would have to be adjusted correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Chuck Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 Alright, for past couple of days, I have been trying to undo that bastard neighbor's work on the front seal of the tranny. I don't have FSM on this transmission. So, tell me what I need to do to reinstall the cover back on. It wont go in - only about 1/4 to 1/8" to go and the input shaft binds up when putting 3 bolts back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Chuck Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 I am going to shoot him! This frustrates me. I might as well do this... to this 5MT transmission. I really wished he has not touched my car. :mad: Oh well, time for me to have this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Looking at the tranny from the front, on the left side of the plate theres a round head with one side cut off. Is this lined up so the plate misses it? All the gears are pressed on the shaft, so I dont think they could slide forward. Was the seal replaced? It may not be seated all the way in. Theres also a bearing a little further in. I dont know if this is easy or hard to pull. Have you tried giving the shaft a rap with a block of wood and hammer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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