Suberstar88 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I know the 5-speed d/r is far the better choice, but is there anything wrong with puttin a lift and big tires on a push-button 5-speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast I Drive Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 You will be crippled off road, and your on road performance will suffer as well. With the low range of the D/R you still have a usable gearset for offrading with oversized tires. -Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bratman18 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I know the 5-speed d/r is far the better choice, but is there anything wrong with puttin a lift and big tires on a push-button 5-speed? The swap is very straight forward when you already have a 5SPD EA82 car so just put a D/R in! You will love it. And if you plan on using it offroad it all don't even second guess it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoahDL88 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I did the very thing in my DL, it wasn't great for offroading with the 27 inch swampers, but around town and for most things it was adequate. If you went with a slightly smaller snow tire for the short term, it would be a good compromise with the abilities of the transmission. Oh, but swapping in the D/R is straight forward, don't forget the internal trim pieces. and the DL/Loyale shifter is held on with a pin, so you'll want to swap the entire shifter assembly so the other setup works. You can make the two mate together. I did and use the 4WD shift button as an accessory switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one eye Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 Single range will work just fine...........if you want to change your clutch out ever single time you do anything where you should have used low range, if it is a pavement pounder your fine but anything else your toast, or better yet your clutch is toast. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Abides Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 Anything offroad with big tires you want the benefit of dual range. But for street use only i find my pushbutton very ample for what i need it for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyewdall Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Anything offroad with big tires you want the benefit of dual range. But for street use only i find my pushbutton very ample for what i need it for. +1. If you stay on paved or gravel roads -- low range not needed. But if you venture into dirt roads, logging trails, deep snow.... say goodby to the clutch if you don't have dual range. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudduck Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 I'm running stock tires on my Loyale and having the single range leaves alot to be desired. While it does get the job done for what I do with the car, having low range helps the life of the clutch a bunch, not to mention all the times I have run out of gearing and had to use the more speed, more momentum, tear up the car approach:rolleyes: If you are doing more than just DD the car, find a duel range tranny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subiemech85 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 +1. If you stay on paved or gravel roads -- low range not needed. But if you venture into dirt roads, logging trails, deep snow.... say goodby to the clutch if you don't have dual range. Z -1! 11/79 ea71 gen 2 body wagon with 4x4 single range and slippy clutch due to rear seal leak is a very capable machine with 15" pugs and winterforce tires when in deep snow, if got stuck going forward, reverse always took care of the issue muddy dirt road was also not an issue, just let it rev around 4k+, that's where the power is anyways no logging roads around here only times when it was nice to have low range 1. 4spd d/r locked up in 3rd, start in low then drive in high 2. driving on snowy roads with slow traffic, stay in gear and change ranges as needed 3. turbo d/r full time 4wd use it as a 10 spd, always start in low, also great for while stuck in stop and go traffic, DC area rush hour sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Abides Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 ok u u lost me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyewdall Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 (edited) -1! 11/79 ea71 gen 2 body wagon with 4x4 single range and slippy clutch due to rear seal leak is a very capable machine with 15" pugs and winterforce tires ! Well.... I'd disagree, but I have seen an old single range '79? brat do some stuff that I was hesitant to try in my '89GL wagon. So... I can't Edited December 28, 2008 by zyewdall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suberstar88 Posted December 28, 2008 Author Share Posted December 28, 2008 even in my 3AT single range 4x4 88' gl, I still do stuff that I thought i provably couldnt do. So when i get the money and time im gonna go over to spokane and pull me one out of the wrecking yard for like $100, need the clutch assemb too,anything else i need to remember to grab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ettev Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 (edited) I had a p/b 5 speed in an '88 EA82T wagon and loved it. I ran 205/60-15's with no lift and the car never let me down. To date it may be the most dependable vehicle I ever owned. That thing was awesome in the snow. Never did any hard off-road with it so I couldn't comment on that, but for a road piece I loved it. If the PennDOT winter road pre-treatment hadn't done in the underside I'd still be driving it. Edited December 29, 2008 by ettev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bratman18 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 even in my 3AT single range 4x4 88' gl, I still do stuff that I thought i provably couldnt do. So when i get the money and time im gonna go over to spokane and pull me one out of the wrecking yard for like $100, need the clutch assemb too,anything else i need to remember to grab? You need the tranny and all the shift linkage and shifters and 4WD lever, all the interior trim that surrounds.....if you want it to look okay, and that's pretty much it. Obviously look for anything that might be needed in the general area. Good luck and you'll love the results!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bratman18 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 I had a p/b 5 speed in an '88 EA82T wagon and loved it. I ran 205/60-15's with no lift and the car never let me down. To date it may be the most dependable vehicle I ever owned. That thing was awesome in the snow. Never did any hard off-road with it so I couldn't comment on that, but for a road piece I loved it. If the PennDOT winter road pre-treatment hadn't done in the underside I'd still be diving it. I bet the biggest factor there was the fact that it was a turbo, even though they aren't known for the huge power, it's still a big difference from the N/A motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo'J Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 The 5speed d/r just puts the car into a different category for performance. If you think you had it good with a PB then you haven't really tried a D/R. Pulling cars out of snowed ditches or getting to the top of that super muddy or snowy logging road is almost impossible with out it. I don't think I could l could ever go back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bratman18 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 The 5speed d/r just puts the car into a different category for performance. If you think you had it good with a PB then you haven't really tried a D/R. Pulling cars out of snowed ditches or getting to the top of that super muddy or snowy logging road is almost impossible with out it. I don't think I could l could ever go back. Neither could I, and I haven't, ever since I swapped my first one into a 3AT Loyale!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyewdall Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 The 5speed d/r just puts the car into a different category for performance. If you think you had it good with a PB then you haven't really tried a D/R. Pulling cars out of snowed ditches or getting to the top of that super muddy or snowy logging road is almost impossible with out it. I don't think I could l could ever go back. I just got my '89 wagon running again today (still on 3 cylinders, burned out exhaust valve -- the new engine is in the back), and even down one cylinder, it still had better torque in the snow than my Justy. Dual range After I get the new engine in it I might get to sticking the extra SPFI intake on my EA81 and stick it back in my '82 wagon with the extra 5 speed I have. oh, the motivation of a warm sunny day. It'll probably be cold and windy again tomorrow, and it'll all go back onto the back burner for another few months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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