Caramanos2000 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Just trying to be safe here. Finally bought all the cocktail ingridients for my tranny. Anyone had any increased wear with it? Saw a post in the NASOIC that it degrades really fast... How often should I change it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 i've got 15,000 miles on mine since going in on my 92SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 there's a recent thread about this, i'd read through it. it references maybe NASIOC and/or the trans shop that has bad comments about what this does to innards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky92 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I have heard of bad things it has done to the new trannies.. and I have also heard good things with it to the older trannies...what is always failed to be remembered is it is used primarily in ones that already have a problem...it is not a fix, it may prolong the life of it or mask the problem for awhile. When I mentioned I was going to use the cocktail in my coupe cause I have a crunchy 3rd gear that likes to pop out..I got swamped with the links to the evils of the cocktail. But in all cases someone was looking for a cheap quick fix. I will run it until I can find a good FWD 5 spd for my EA81 coupe.. I know someone who uses it in thier RX and has for about a year now without any problems. If there isnt anything wrong with yours then dont use it. But if there is dont expect it to be a repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 ran it in my RX tranny for about 30k miles. shifting was awesome..... then it developed some bearing noise last fall. I promptly drained it and switch to 4 quarts of straight Castrol HypoyC. shifting is harder (almost impossible below zero) when cold, but the noise went away. I think it's like running ATF in a manual: wonderful for cleaning, terrible for lubricating. for temporary use only. I will never use it again, if the synchros need better lubrication, I'll throw a little rislone in it, that I have had good luck with (saved 2nd gear in my dad's '94 LGT, no negative effects after similar mileage). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caramanos2000 Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 Well I put it in and it feels awesome lol. IDK if my tranny had issues sometimes it was hard to get into 1st when doing more than 0mph lol. Fourth gear would occasionally pop out also :-\ Can I run this and just change it more often like every 12k or so to keep the oil from degrading? BTW my drain plug didnt have any chunks just very fine powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 my issue could have been a result of the oil breaking down. it did have some abuse (2 autoXs, lots of ice racing). but I've put standard oil through that without problems. IMHO, seems like a steep price to pay to improve shifter feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Abides Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Im going to be putting in some ATF fluid this summer to clean things up but then go back to regular fluid after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) The coctail doesn't degrade - it seperates. And it does it every time the car sits for a few hours. Mileage doesn't matter. Ultimately it's a bad idea for quite a few reasons. I tried it, but I've now split a few transmissions and I can't say I would reccomend it or use it again myself. Most syncro problems are related to dirty, varnished brass syncro rings. The coctail masks the problem for a while but creates MUCH bigger problems. The syncro's can be cleaned and the transmission reassembled relatively easily but if you instead use the coctail the rest of the components will be worn beyond use. Run ATF through it about 3 to 5 times - leave it in for a full tank of gas each time. When it stops comming out black refill with decent synthetic such as valvoline. Other than that, you can get ahold of (or make) a 35mm thin wall socket (no more than 45.5mm OD) to dissasemble the transmission and clean the synco rings by hand. This is most effective. GD Edited March 6, 2009 by GeneralDisorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caramanos2000 Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 Shouldn't there be a sticky saying all this? Seems like there is a million posts saying how good it is and less than a dozen saying how dangerous it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Shouldn't there be a sticky saying all this? Seems like there is a million postssaying how good it is and less than a dozen saying how dangerous it is... That's because there's not many of us that pull transmissions apart. And people are going to continue using it regardless of what I or the few people that actually have some knowledge about these things say. It gives results (for a while) and like anything that gives results without any real work it's going to attract a following - like the Atkins diet. Ultimately there's no talking to people that beleive in that kind of a remedy. They have to experience it themselves. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyale 2.7 Turbo Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 As I Said it Before: instead of that Cocktail, there is a Special Gearbox Oil that is Formulated with the Same Component from Heavy Duty Grease: MO2 (Moly) I Obtain it from Motul: http://www.mandp.co.uk/productinfo/565279/Lubricants/Gearbox-oils/Motul ...Seems like there is a million postssaying how good it is and less than a dozen saying how dangerous it is... That must be due to the Fact that There are Lots of People Using that Cocktail, but very Few of them have taken their Gearboxes appart and Check the Damage it Makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky92 Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) For me...having a known already damaged tranny..the cocktail is fine ..just to quiet it down and go into 3rd until a new tranny is located. I have stated earlier...that it is not a quick fix..it just masks a problem. And as others stated ..can cause more damage. I would never think of adding it to my coupes tranny if it was actually any good. No need to...regular gear oil is fine. But Like I mentioned I have a bad bad 3rd gear syncro and with this being a show car..nothing says show like grinding into 3rd in public . There are definately other products out there better suited for maintaining a good tranny. I will say it again...I am only using the cocktail until a known good FWD 5 spd tranny is located. Like GD stated..it will give results for a period of time at the same time it will finish the bad tranny off.. I also DO NOT drive this car daily ...well it hasnt been driven since maybe June of last year but even if it was in driveable condition...this car does not get driven but once every week or 2. Edited March 7, 2009 by Bucky92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudduck Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 If it ain't broke don't fix it. I would think that in all these years if this cocktail was any good you would be able to buy it, already to go, of the shelf at the parts store buy now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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