mdjdc Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Here's the scoop. I have a 99 outback 2.5 DOHC with a manual tranny. This morning I went outside to start the car and she started up just fine. I realized that I had left something in the house and I shut it off to go back in. When I restarted the car it ran like crap and did so all the way to work. I stopped at my mechanics during lunch and he found a code for the 1 and 3 cylinder misfire. He said it is acting like the valves are not right. I am going to do a compression test in the morning, then check the plugs for fouling and maybe even test the fuel injectors. It is so weird that the car would have a failure in both cylinders at once. Any other suggestions? I'm open to all advice. I need my car back. Right now I am driving my 90 loyale and boy I already miss the cmforts of the outback. Thanks Guys Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Hopefully the belt for that side didn't break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdjdc Posted May 6, 2009 Author Share Posted May 6, 2009 This car only has one belt. I hope it didn't jump timing, but I will check that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Mike, save yourself the effort and just swap in another coil pack and you're done in 10 minutes. On EJ engines plugs should be NGK stock and Subaru wires. The only good alternative is Magnecor, avoiding any and all store bought stuff otherwise is good medicine for non turbo EJ engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebugs Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 GG - I know it's a simple swap. But 1&3 on a coil pack (rather than 1&2 or 3&4?) I haven't witnessed this yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdjdc Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 I'm open to all options. Thanks guys, I'm off to tame the beast. I'll let you know what I find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OB99W Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) I've experienced a knock with misfire upon restarting, after having moved the car a short distance. The restart was hours (not minutes) later. This thread might be interesting: http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=91822 I now try to avoid very short runs. Edited May 7, 2009 by OB99W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 i wouldn't be surprised to see spark plug wire problems either, how old are they? are they Subaur or aftermarket? it doesn't add up but misfires are wires or coil packs a high percentage of the time. i was under the impression mike would have one he could swap, so it's not like he would have to order or go find one, it would just take a couple minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Running like crap after shutting the car off is 99% of the time a timing belt/chain jump. The sudden unloading of the belt causes the jump. How many miles are on this car. Its not a coil pack, as it would be 1/2 or 3/4 and it wouldnt be suddenly. nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdjdc Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 Nipper wins the kewpie doll. The exhaust cam jumped three teeth. i pulled the cover and it was obvious. Reset the belt and all is well now. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Gary: You are right, I do have one on a shelf, but my mechanic suggested the belt check, so i did that first. Just glad to have the car back up and running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Nipper wins the kewpie doll. The exhaust cam jumped three teeth. i pulled the cover and it was obvious. Reset the belt and all is well now. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Gary: You are right, I do have one on a shelf, but my mechanic suggested the belt check, so i did that first. Just glad to have the car back up and running Er um , you know i hate to tell ya this They dont do that unless the timing belt is stretched or the tension and idlers are tired or bad. If you have over 106,000 miles or 106 months on this car you need a timing belt. Heck it jumped, you need a timing belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdjdc Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 The belt and Idlers have less than 10k on them. Maybe I'll change out the belt anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olnick Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 The belt and Idlers have less than 10k on them. Maybe I'll change out the belt anyway. Might want to check the tensioner while you're in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdjdc Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 All of the tin=ming components were replaced at the same time last year. All new not used or rebuilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 All of the tin=ming components were replaced at the same time last year. All new not used or rebuilt. Your going to have to check things, especially the tensioner. Replace the belt as it may have gotten damaged, but belts just dont jump for no reason. Something isnt right. Also inspect the sprockets for any wear. If there were any non-subaru parts, get OE parts. nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 right on - if the belt jumped, something is wrong and it's going to happen again. not a fun thought on an interference engine. if you have no idea what the problem could be i would try a new Subaru belt. i doubt he'll go all Subaru - $500+ in parts for all the pulleys, tensioner, and belt. hope a cam isn't having problems, causing undue tension on the timing belt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 i doubt he'll go all Subaru - $500+ in parts for all the pulleys, tensioner, and belt. and the price of a two rebuilt cylinder heads? penny wise and dollar foolish. nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 and the price of a two rebuilt cylinder heads? penny wise and dollar foolish. nipper that's unrealistic to think everyone is going to do the exact same thing. but the funny thing is rebuilding your cylinder heads (which typically survive this gig - seen it) could be cheaper if you're doing your own labor! it would be around my neck of the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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