92_rugby_subie Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I have a 1992 Subaru Loyale Wagon... Basic stock piece of (GRRR) Its my first car and of course I wanna make it look like its a beast. I want a bigger exhaust, I already have an aftermarket Borla 2 inch. Want something bigger and meaner. Maybe sound like a 2003 WRX? I want new lights (mine have burn marks from a dumb friend) Rear and front. I can figure rims, the 5X100 bolt pattern is common. I can figure seats and stuff. Also wondering what if any, beefy engine will fit in it, with transmission. I grew up on a farm and have been driving for 11 years and illegally on the road for 5 years and legally for almost 3 with NO ACCIDENTS or CLOSE CALLS. So I think my first car will last me awhile, I mean come on, she is a Subie. Any advice or familiar wants would be appreciated. My dad gave her to me and I wanna keep her around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Welcome to the board. First order of business is to learn the search function Theres lots of threads about the mods you want to do. But for starters.... Dont go any bigger on your exhaust. You need back pressure or it wont run right. It will never sound like a WRX. You wont be able to fit 5x100 wheels on unless you do a suspension swap. Right now you have 4x140 and the only options you have are Peugeot wheels. Most of this info can be found here or in the Retrofit forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Abides Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Welcome to the board. Ill get alittle more specific than turbone because i have the time. the wheels you have are subaru specific. Meaning only 2 other cars in the WORLD have this bolt pattern 4x140mm. Subarus and peugots. Only subaru wheels fit perfectly in the wheel wells though. You can go 6 lug swap where you can redrill chevy wheels (and her sisters) to 4x140 but they stick out really wide and are prefered buy offroaders. If you want the look your looking for then you need to swap the suspension. It can be done but its a pain in the butt. You need legacy parts, xt6 parts. Its dooable. As far as seats go people have done legacy seats and some others but you need to do some custimazition on the mounting brackets. Engine and tranny you can upgrade to pretty much any subaru engine out there it just depends on how much work you want to do or fabricate up. The easiest out of the bunch would be ej22, but you need to swap the brain over and wireing these cars can be a pain. Plus get special adaptors for the tranny but if you want to use the other tranny then other things come into play yada yada yada. Leave the exhaust the way it is. You wont need bigger exhaust until you get a bigger engine. Good luck And we love pictures. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I have a 1992 Subaru Loyale Wagon... Basic stock piece of (GRRR) Its my first car and of course I wanna make it look like its a beast. Define "beast" please. Be specifc. I want a bigger exhaust, I already have an aftermarket Borla 2 inch. Want something bigger and meaner. Maybe sound like a 2003 WRX? It will never sound like a WRX - it's not a Turbo. Do yourself a favor and leave it be. Anything you do would have to be custom as there are no "aftermarket" exhaust systems available for the EA82's. Also larger diameter will only hurt your performance as you will destroy your scavenging. As it is the engine has 90 HP. Don't make it any worse. I want new lights (mine have burn marks from a dumb friend) Rear and front. Junk yard or the dealership. As above - there are no aftermarket parts available for your body style. I can figure rims, the 5X100 bolt pattern is common. I can figure seats and stuff. Others have already told you the issue here - your misconception of the lug pattern. 4x140mm is basically an impossible lug pattern. Also wondering what if any, beefy engine will fit in it, with transmission. At the risk of sounding like a broken reccord.... it would be cost prohibitive to put anything "beefy" into it. You are looking at about $750 to $1000 to install even a non-turbo EJ22 - that's only the cost of the parts - you perform all the labor. That's likely more than the car is worth and in fact will destroy any remaining appeal it has to nearly all of the used car market - an engine swapped Loyale is worth basically nothing - it's a big fat "unknown" to most buyers - people tend to shy away from stuff like that. Except people on this board and even they would probably not want some car that was someone's first project-mobile. I grew up on a farm and have been driving for 11 years and illegally on the road for 5 years and legally for almost 3 with NO ACCIDENTS or CLOSE CALLS. So I think my first car will last me awhile, I mean come on, she is a Subie. Clearly non-sequitur to your question so I'm not seeing the relevance to your post. Any advice or familiar wants would be appreciated. My dad gave her to me and I wanna keep her around. Advice (that you won't listen to): Leave it stock and love it for what it is - don't hate it for what it will never be. Find happiness in tinkering with something that's worth your time. Better to sell the Loyale (bone stock) for $1500 and buy a legacy or some other brand/model entirely that has what you want already and/or has real potential - the Loyale has very little potential and what it does have takes quite a bit of experience, time, money, and parts to bring out. I doubt you have many of these. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyale 2.7 Turbo Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Welcome! Good advice has been Given. ...only 2 other cars in the WORLD have this bolt pattern 4x140mm. Subarus and peugots. ... Don`t forget Renaults... For example The Renault Alpine A110 Has that 4X140 Pattern, But I Don`t know if Renault is Widely Available at the USA... See This Links, Just for information: http://cgi.ebay.fr/4jantes-gotti-073-en-4x140--alpine-a110-mod-1600scou-sx_W0QQitemZ330322721243QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090417?IMSfp=TL090417129001r20180 and: http://www.matramurena.de/alpine/englisch/a110_tuning.htm And about Impossible Lug Patterns... Try This Three Lugs ones: Those are Renaults too... Edited June 10, 2009 by Loyale 2.7 Turbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Only the Renault 5 "LeCar" was marketed here in the US by AMC back in the 70's So unfortunately (although those are really neat looking) there aren't any in the states. But if you want to talk overseas stuff - there's tons available from Subaru in Germany, Japan, and the UK that weren't available here - better looking options too. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyewdall Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 And about Impossible Lug Patterns... Try This Three Lugs ones: Those are Renaults too... Wow.... that does look more impossible. Unless it happens to fit a 6 lug pattern that's missing three lugs It seems that putting an EJ series engine of some sort into these cars is the only real performance upgrade. I'm finally getting ready to do that to my '82 wagon, after driving stock ones for years. They really are fine, stock, but just aren't that fast -- keeps the speeding ticket's down, I guess.... I found another performance upgrade though.... drive an early '70's mazda pickup around for a while, then all of a sudden the stock EA82 feels pretty fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durania Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 GD summed it all up for you. Your best bet is to stay in school, get a good job and save up for the WRX. Just please, do not rice out your Loyale. Its the same principle as putting a GT-R emblem on a Honda Civic. Making an econo box wagon into what it was never meant to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Abides Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 You ever get the feeling that after we break peoples hearts about these old econobox wagons they just go and sell them or beat them until they die for being useless for there desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niku-Sama Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 yea i notice that, there are a ton of cheap GL/Loyales on craigslist here and most of them seem to be something stupid like that. others are people who are just trying to dumpem because of something thats potentally easy to fix. although i am not horribly thrilled with my 82T i do have to remember its AWD and has an exhaust leak before the turbo, i dont think it'll ever outrun my 280zx though... hopefully if i can land a job any time i'll grab a scrap car or find an EJ22E and i'll slowly work on it and store it untill its "needed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qman Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 GD summed it all up for you. Your best bet is to stay in school, get a good job and save up for the WRX. Just please, do not rice out your Loyale. Its the same principle as putting a GT-R emblem on a Honda Civic. Making an econo box wagon into what it was never meant to be. LOL, funny... I am sure Dave is glad so many of you do nothing to your wagons. Makes it easier to win best wagon, best swap, best GL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyale 2.7 Turbo Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 That is a Very Beautiful Lookin` Wagon for Sure! ... Not a Ricer... Very Clean Job. So if you Want to improve your Subie, the Old "EJ it" Advice is the Very Best of All if you Want Performance; Others Will Suggest to "Lift it" if you want it for Off-Roading: Both are Nice Upgrades, Depending on your Needs. Both Needs Time & Effort, They`re Not just "Rice" Things. Here you can Find Lots of Info & Pics of Both Options, Just use the Great "Search" Feature. Post Pics of your Subie, as Long as you Can / Do an Upgrade. Good Luck. Kind Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zukiru Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 LOL, funny... I am sure Dave is glad so many of you do nothing to your wagons. Makes it easier to win best wagon, best swap, best GL... I lol'ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Abides Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Yea dave and his wagon is my hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durania Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 His wagon is far from rice. I would give my RS for that thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92_rugby_subie Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 Thanks guys I guess since my dream car is a 2003 Subaru WRX that Ill just save up for it and continue to nurse my transmission til I can afford one. I found one that had a minor wreck for 2800, needs new trunk, spoiler and bumper. Might do that in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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