Uncle Ed Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I've been on several auto parts web sites looking at NEW radiators to fit the wifes 87' WG. With the 90 deg temps we've been having. It's been running a lot hotter than I'd like, (210 on the manual gauge). My question is what's the difference between the hatchback radiator and one for the wagon? :-\ I'd want to substitute the 2 row HB radiator, for the single row one. CSK part #433698, rockauto shows the same #, but better price. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast I Drive Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 The hatchback one is thicker, and dimensionally different. Also, the bottom of the EA82 wagon radiator has pegs on it that go into the radiator support, whereas the HB radiator is the inverse, the pegs are on the radiator support and go into the radiator. I think you would have to notch out the lower radiator support, add the mounting studs down there, and drill out some holes in the upper support for the top bolts. I think. I'd have to go measure and look at a couple of my rigs to know for sure, but the HB radiator will take some fab to make it fit in the wagon correctly. -Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Ed Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) Ok, They don't list a 2row radiator for the wagon, and I don't want to fry the EA81. Any ideas, thoughts, Ect... I've even looked at ones for an 83' EA81 wagon. Ed Just looked at the mounting spects. Both are type C. I'm tempted to buy and try. Edited July 27, 2009 by Uncle Ed updated info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast I Drive Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 an EA82 Turbo radiator is a 2 row, we bought a pair (I dont remember where though :-\) that had brass tanks as well, and they were a night and day difference. They were $150 a piece though All EA81 cars have the same radiators, be it Hatch, wagon, Brat, etc... The only real advantages the EA81 rads have is the all metal construction and thicker cooling area. If you get an all metal EA82 radiator it would be essentially the same thing, but it will directly bolt in, unlike the EA81 rads... Did you try hooking up 2 electric fans? Or are you ony running 1? -Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Ed Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 Its running dual fans. Tried asking for turbo radiator for a wagon but both CSK & Rock auto show same applications and part numbers. If thats what their parts pullers have to work with no-wonder they seem confused, THEY ARE! Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjw Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I understand the concept of the dual core radiator being "better" than a single core. But,if everything else is in proper working order (e.g. thermostate,headgaskets,fans) then,shouldn't a new, standard replacement single core be adequate? I'm also looking to replace the radiator in a ea82 car. But,I've also replaced all the other cooling related components with new parts recommended by the board. Headgaskets,too. So,I'm going with the standard replacement radiator. Is that a bad idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Ed Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well, I just ordered a NEW 2row radiator from 1-800-radiators web site and talked w/their customer service rep. Its coming FEDx, suppose to be here WED. So, we'll see what $159 gets us. They said bolt in fit and life time warranty. As to the question of dual vs; single row. Your looking at being able to cool more fluid w/the same amount of air flow. So if the thermostat is doing its job, then the engine will be at operating temp, and as things corrode, ie. scale. Then you don't have surprises between cooling system flushes. We'll see how it handles the 100deg days. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Frankly a NEW single row, properly maintained (coolant changed annually), will do the job just fine. The OEM one was a single row and it lasted how many years with sub-par maintenance? It's all in how you maintain (or don't maintain) them. Two-row's are useful for turbo applications where modifications are being contemplated. They aren't needed nor recommended for N/A applications. And I would be hard-pressed to justify the additional $100 they cost. I have put $58 ebay radiators in at least 4 EA82's now - they have all been just fine even on 100 degree days. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Abides Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Sorry GD but i have yet to find a 58 dollar radiator from ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Sorry GD but i have yet to find a 58 dollar radiator from ebay. It was a few years back that I got those. I don't drive EA82's anymore so I haven't needed one in a long while. Still - the single core's are much cheaper than the two-core and I bet my local discount import parts house could get me a radiator for under $75 GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quidam Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 (edited) Hi Dude, "Sorry GD but i have yet to find a 58 dollar radiator from ebay." I bought a like new brass/copper for $40.00, shipped from California from ebay. If you look up Kaiser Radiator ebay, you'll find a brass/copper 3/4" single row for $75.00 plus shipping. Last one. Two radiators you may not have looked at...I'd have to pay state tax and shipping unless I drove up there. Look at this:http://www.summitracing.com/users/wishlist.aspx?id=fec8733d-c162-4da3-a862-9d19f2eddcf0 Check Silla for aluminum with plastic tanks. Single row and double row quality drop in for less than $200.00. Check CSF for brass/copper, made in Indoneisa, lower price. I see nothing wrong with my single row CSF...the one I paid $40.00 for. Doug And here's something I read that may be of interest, from U.S. Radiator. BTW, they don't offer a drop in rad for our cars. "After three years of testing the leading radiators on the market today, (aluminum & copper/brass) we can honestly say our new Triple FlowT radiator design is SIMPLY THE BEST. For pure temperature drop inlet to outlet no other radiator came close. The amazing amount of additional temperature drop is obtained by passing the hot coolant through the core and air stream three times before returning it to the engine. Until now, this unique baffle design was only available for "hard to cool" racing applications. For an EA-82T, at the end of the day, take a temp gun and measure the temperature drop inlet to outlet, and you'll know what you need to do. If it gets or runs hot, it may detonate. If it does that it may go boom. We've learned, for example, that core design has more bearing on temperature drop than material (copper- brass verses aluminum). We've also learned that 2 rows of 1-1/4" aluminum tubes had only a 3-degree advantage over 4-rows of 1/2" brass tubes at 65 m.p.h and a 2-degree disadvantage at idle. Given the added core thickness of the aluminum radiator we had expected a greater temperature drop...but, it wasn't there. Edited July 29, 2009 by Quidam Add text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Ed Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 Well, The radiator that I ordered from 1-800-radiator came in. A Modine metal tanked, single row! When I called their Portland warehouse, the guy told me that I couldn't tell a single from a two row! Talk about getting me PO'd in a los vegas heartbeat. An inspection mirror and the depth guage on my calipers showed the spects matched a proliance 43-3935 aka. CU935, Modine# 43-2361, ready-rad #43-1255/ 1R2361. Yup, then he tried to tell me that they don't make a single row radiator. Oh, I'm not sure which is hotter Me or the phone lines. Needless to say, its on the UPS truck on its way back to them. And yes, I've already contacted the bank and contested the payment. Another case of CUSTOMER NO SERVICE. Plus, I'm out the $15 to ship it back! They wanted me to pay $159 for something that I can get for under a $100. Makes me wonder WHAT these people are smoking! On second thought, maybe I don't want to know! END of Rant I was told that the 2 row radiator (ready-rad# 43-3698) is in short supply nation wide. So, it looks like a trip to LKQ is in order. I may have to have one recored. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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