Fox Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Hi. Did my head gaskets, radiators fine, didnt seem to have any other problems.. till I started it up. Sounds HORRIBLE. Sounds like a sewing machine at all revs, Im too scared to drive it now. I have no idea whats going on, I searched and found 101 answers, I only need one. The head gaskets were shot, everything else was fine, the valves were good for their age.. Nothing else seemed off at all. So, should I be driving it "in" or have I killed my car? :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 What the ******* hell! I drove it a few metres, feels like something is hitting the engine! The car will not idle at all, not even when up to temp (There is one odd spark plug as well, the person guiding the HG repair broke one of my plugs, I have an old spare from the wreckers in there, just to get me to the local auto store.. didnt even last metres!) :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one eye Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 It is the TOD (tick of death) Search that or just get some Rislone or Seafoam.......... should help it out a bit Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one eye Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Ok Maybe I jumpped the gun there. What is your car EA81, EA82?????? Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjw Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Did you install a new O-Ring between the cam tower and top of the head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 Whats the cam tower? A friend just said it could be the timing out, but I dont know how that could have happened.. Its an EA81, quite well maintained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjw Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Never mind. You don't have cam towers. I was thinking ea82. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 How easy is it to do the timing? I have only limited tools, and worse, I just lost my home and HAVE to drive out in that car.. If I dont, I lose the car and can only walk with whatever I can carry.. When it rains, it pours.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjw Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Do a search on it. It's been explained in great detail here. You will need a spark plug socket, 22mm socket,a breaker bar or ratchet and a 10mm wrench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 Is there anything else it could be? The lifter rod thingies are loose in the holes, they cant get jammed in on the wrong angle can they? I mean, it seems like the timing to me from what I have read.. I really am not up to this anymore, I just want a car that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjw Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Is it a hydro-lifter motor,or a solid lifter motor? Did the guy adjust the rockers after he put the valve train back on? The push rods will be loose. Some of them anyway. Others not so much. Which ones are loose and not loose depends on the position of the valve train as it does its job opening and closing valves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 (edited) Solid lifters, nothing was adjusted. Took everything out as an assembly and put it back in the same way. Can a maladjusted valve produce a dull shock through the engine? Didnt sound like anything broke at all, and the engine didnt change in pitch or anything. I have some basic instructions, it says how to adjust the valves using the valve adjusting nut. Edited August 31, 2009 by Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjw Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Yeah,well, in that case,I'd start with a complete valve/rocker adjustment and I wouldn't start the engine again until that is done. Search the proceedure. You need feeler guages and a 10mm wrench. And the 22mm socket I mentioned. Plus,a spark plug socket. Its tedious work,but absolutely needs to be done and is most likely your problem. Or,at least part of. Man,there's people on this board who are alot better at this than I am,but they ain't around at 2am. Sounds like your in a bit of a jam right now so I'm trying to help you. If you can wait awhile,you'd get alot better advice from a certain few others. The seach button is your best friend right now. But,trust me on the valve adjustment. It needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I would pull the rocker arm assemblies and verify that the pushrods are properly seated in the lifters. Then reinstall them and give it a valve adjustment. There is no way to adjust the valve timing on the EA81 - it is gear driven and completely fixed unless you pull the cam out - which requires splitting the block. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 Well, I have the covers off, the distributor cap is off, but I cant turn the engine anymore, Im not strong enough. I took the radiator out, cleared a path, put a socket on the nut on the main.. Umm, I dont know what its called, it turns all the belts (I know I have not said, but I am a female that knows little about engines) and I still couldnt turn it. The compression is too high. Can I turn it backwards or how can I let some compression out so I can rotate it. By the looks of it, the lifters appear to be seated perfectly. (The passenger side is running lean though, I know the ign timing is out a little) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricearu Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 take the spark plugs out. You wont have to fight compression then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 I feel smaaaaaart. I took the plugs out, but left it in gear >.< Anyway, thanks for that.. is the "B" TDC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjw Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I feel smaaaaaart. I took the plugs out, but left it in gear >.< Anyway, thanks for that.. is the "B" TDC? No..The "0" is TDC. The B is for BTDC, Before Top Dead Center... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) Ok, I found the right order. Long.. long day.. So the firing order is (from the front of the engine) 34 12 I turn the engine until the timing marks are up, and the rotor button is pointing at 1, do the gapping, then rotate the engine until it points to 3 (until it points to the next spark plug lead) and gap that one, and so on. People here have said to rotate 15 degrees, gap and go on, but the manual says to rotate in the firing order. Which is it? I have an electric distributor so I cant watch for the points opening like the book says. Any help is appreciated Thanks. Edited September 1, 2009 by Fox Found info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Ok - the second diagram you posted is correct - but I think you're misunderstanding lies in what the marks you are lining up mean. The marks are for ignition timing - they relate only to the TDC (or BTDC/ATDC) of the #1 cylinder. They are in NO WAY related to the other three cylinders. So if you are looking for the TDC of the #2 cylinder then you have to do it by eye and by the valves. Both valves need to be closed (rocker arms loose), and the piston at the top of the bore - which you can check with a drinking straw through the plug hole. Adjust all the valves when they are loose - with each cylinder at TDC for those two valves. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) Well, I got it to TDC, did number 1, rotated to the second (3 in the firing order) and the spring has constant tension, I dont want to loosen it anymore in case the spring shoots off.. Every moment this job seems to get bigger and bigger, I have 40 mins to have this car done. How far out can these adjusting bolts go? Update. I had a stuck lifter, I loosened the adjuster then the spring shot out (stopped by the adjuster) Edited September 1, 2009 by Fox Update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Spring? What spring? The valve springs? No amount of adjusting the valve's will ever cause the springs to "shoot off" - they are held in place even if you remove the whole rocker assembly. Anyway - just rotate the flywheel 90 degrees till each cylinder is at TDC. The valves for that cylinder will then be loose and you can adjust them. I'm not sure what you are doing so it's difficult to help. Did you remove the rocker arms and make sure the pushrods were seated properly? Hell of a time difference - it's 11:40 PM here - must be morning for you eh? GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 Ahhhh, I thought you rotated it to tcd, adjust number 1, then onto the next, adjust (without going to tdc) Its 4:41 here, I have a dog at the vet and have to go and pick her up asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 4 cylinders, 360 degree's in a full crank rotation, so 90 degrees per cylinder. Just look for both valves to close and check that the piston is at TDC using a drinking straw. Adjust the two valves for that cylinder and move on. When you get the process down it only takes about 20 minutes to do all 8 valves. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 :mad::mad::mad::mad: Well, I thought I did that, now the car is f*****g worse! It shakes madly when I start it, thats all I did, shut it off after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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